use the money, but A.A. is unequivocally noncommercial."
Acceptance of ads would expose
them to "pressure and to the theory of
obligatory back-scratching." Saldos amigos!"
[this places Chattanooga group as starting in sometime in 1941]
GV Feb46, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "Oak-Ridge, Tennessee"
GV May46, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Johnson City."
GV May46, in "News Circuit" column it mentions:
"The Memphis, Tenn., A.A.s a few month ago
began making calls on the alcoholics at the
West Tennessee State Hospital at Bolivar, at the
request of doctors in charge. Each band of visiting
A.A.s is different from the preceding one.
Some of the alcoholic patients, on release from
the hospital, are now beginning to get in touch
with the group."
GV Jun46, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Lawrenceburg
and Murfreesboro."
GV Jan47, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE: Athens."
GV Mar47, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Paris."
GV May47, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—McMinnville."
GV Jun47, in "News Circuit" column it mentions:
"Birthdays Recall Growth—More than 400
persons attended the third anniversary of A.A.
in Memphis, Term., at the Hotel Chisca recently.
From three members in April, 1944, Memphis
now has three groups, Downtown, 152 Madison,
closed meeting Friday; Crosstown, Character
Builders Hall, closed meeting Tuesday, and
Overton Park, at the clubhouse, Monday, all
sessions being at 8 o'clock. In addition there
is an A.A. breakfast at Britling's on Madison
Avenue, open, 9:30 A.M. Sunday; 12th Step
discussion at 152 Madison, closed, 3:30 Sunday
afternoons; open house, open at 8 Tuesday
nights; and Questions and Answers, closed session
for new members at 8 Wednesday nights.
Since many of these sessions are closed, the
Overton Park Group has been holding "Family
Open Meetings" about once a month with local
people in charge. The open meeting at the anniversary
party was addressed by a well-known
Des Moines, Ia., attorney, who told how be came
i n to A.A. through a man whom he had prosecuted
for drunkenness. In Memphis there is
also considerable interest in neighboring groups
throughout the region in Mississippi, Arkansas,
Tennessee and even in Southern Kentucky. The
Central Club room at 152 Madison is open every
day from 9 A.M. until midnight for visitors, with
a member in charge. With the cooperation of
a physician in a nearby veterans' hospital, weekly
visits are being made by Memphis A.A.s to
the hospital."
GV Jly47, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE — Tiptonville."
GV Aug47, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Dyersburg;
Overton Park Group (Memphis)."
GV Oct47, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Cleveland."
GV Mar48, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE — Lebanon"
GV Apr48, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Elizabethton."
GV Jly48, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Columbia."
GV Aug48, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Oak Ridge."
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++++Message 5946. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Georgia and Idaho
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See my last post concerning the dates from
these Grapevine articles.
Georgia
GV Jly44, in the short article on "Bill's Trip South" it mentions
Atlanta GA as being one of 8 groups Bill and Lois visited
GV Feb46, in the "New Groups" column it mentions LaGrange, Georgia
GV June46, in the "Clip Sheet" column:
"Salem, N. J., Sunbeam: "A century-old 28-
room Georgian mansion, once owned by a whiskey
distiller known as 'The Lord of Jericho,'
opened May 1 as a home for the care and rehabilitation
of alcoholics. The huge, three story
red brick building, Ivy Manor, is located
on 200 acres of farm and woodland, seven miles
west of Bridgeton at Jericho—and seven miles
from the nearest taproom.
"It was purchased by a group of Philadelphia
and Camden businessmen, headed by J. Robley
Tucker, realtor, Camden, N. J.
"The project has been endorsed by Alcoholics
Anonymous, the celebrated self-help group
which has aided thousands of alcoholics to permanent
rehabilitation, Tucker said. 'We will
call for patients by station wagon within a 100-
mile radius,' Tucker added. 'But we do not
want repeaters. . . . Ivy Manor may properly be
looked upon as a sort of half-way house. After
a patient has physically and mentally recovered,
we will put him in touch with the A.A., if he so
desires. From there on, it is up to him—and
to them.' "
GV June46, in the "News Circuit" column:
"City, criminal and juvenile judges were in
attendance at the third anniversary banquet of
the Jacksonville, Fla.. Group. Other Florida
groups represented were Daytona Beach, Gainesville,
and Tampa. Georgia A.A.s came from
Valdosta. Waycross. Atlanta, and Rome. A.A.s
from Boston. Mass., were also present. With
Jacksonville's several small group weekly meetings,
new members are delighted that there are
now meetings every night in the week."
GV Jly46, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Macon.
GV Oct46, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Augusta and
Columbus.
GV Dec46, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Statesboro, Box
82.
GV Mar47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Cuthbert;
Manchester.
GV June47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Albany,
Thomaston.
GV Jly47, in the "News Circuit" column:
"Neighboring Groups get Together—
Members of the Atlanta, Ga., Group held joint
meetings with three other Georgia Groups in
Griffin, LaGrange and Thomaston recently with
from 20 to 30 of the Atlanta Group making each
trip. In Griffin and Thomaston the meetings were
held in homes of members and in LaGrange at
the First Methodist church, whose pastor, Rev.
Charles S. Forester, attended the Yale Clinic seminar
last summer. The groups in G r i f f i n and
Thomaston were both formed recently and being
only about 30 miles apart, plan to alternate attendance
at each other's meetings. "
GV June47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Americus.
GV Sept47, in the "News Circuit" column:
"Georgians Get Around—Members of the
Atlanta, Ga., Group have been active lately in
aiding in the establishment of new groups. One
member on vacation in Selma, Ala., felt the need
for a group there and helped form one. Another
started a group in the Lawson Veterans'
Administration Hospital with the cooperation of
the psychiatric staff. In answer to a request
from Athens, Ga., another went there and assisted
in getting a group underway. Atlanta
plans to invite several of these nearby groups
to conduct some of its meetings this fall and
winter.
GV Oct47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Athens, Cairo,
LaFayette.
GV Feb48, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Dublin
GV Aug48, an article about Atlanta's 7th anniv, titled:
"They Celebrated And Talked About Drinking"
from Atlanta, Ga.
It was a man-sized celebration, but everyone
was as sober as the proverbial judge.
They talked about drinking, about some
of the really big bouts they had staged,
but there wasn't the faintest odor of alcohol
about the place, and no one had bulging
pockets.
The occasion was the seventh anniversary
of Atlanta's Chapter of Alcoholics Anonymous,
with some 400 or 500 persons filling
Taft Hall.
The experiences they related—these anonymous
men and women who have conquered
Demon Rum—would make a confession
at a revival meeting seem tame.
Take Steve, for example. Steve, who
hails from Washington, D. C., was the
guest of honor. It was he, with the help
of his wife, who founded the Atlanta group
seven years ago in their basement apartment
in Buckhead.
"I was drunk for more than 20 years,"
he recounted. "My wife had tried every
cure known to mankind on me, and nothing
worked. In fact, one of the cures made me
so drunk I was unconscious for four weeks.
"We were living in Washington at that
time," he continued, "and some man came
in from New York to establish an A.A.
group. My wife prevailed upon me to join.
I did and I sobered up. it was tough going
for a year but after that year I began to
enjoy life, and when I was transferred to
Atlanta I was determined to start an A.A.
group here."
The Rev. Sam, now pastor of a large
North Georgia church, described some of
the difficulties of launching the Atlanta
group, explaining: "It was a little story
in the Atlanta Constitution that led me to
Steve."
Bert, who now operates a home for former
drunkards, said he was in Atlanta's
City Stockade 105 limes for being drunk.
"I guess I am the original man of distinction,"
he concluded. "I changed from
bay rum to canned heat."
Charlie, a successful Atlanta businessman,
traced his reclamation to the time
he asked a friend for a dollar to buy a
drink and was told to go to the A.A. clubrooms,
after which he could return for
the money. He never came back to get the
dollar."
GV Aug48, in the "New Groups" column it mentions "GEORGIA—Douglas;
Pearson.
Idaho
GV Nov45, in the "News Circuit" column: "Boise is the first town in
Idaho to start a group."
GV Dec46, in the "New Groups" column it mentions IDAHO—Caldwell; Moscow.
GV Jan47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions IDAHO: Lewiston, Box 346.
GV Mar47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions IDAHO—Anderson Dam.
GV Aug47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions IDAHO—Idaho Falls.
GV Mar48, in the "News Circuit" column:
"A classified
advertisement appearing in the
paper in Jerome, Idaho, testifies to the
efforts of an A.A. to found a group
there. He's a former member of the
New Orleans, La, Boise and Twin
Falls, Idaho, Groups."
GV Apr48, in the "New Groups" column it mentions IDAHO—St. Anthony.
GV May48, in the "New Groups" column it mentions IDAHO—Rigby.
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Kansas
GV Mar45, "News Circuit" column mentions:
"The Kansas City, Kansas, group has bought and moved into a 12-room
clubhouse."
GV Sept45, "News Circuit" column mentions:
"The Kansas press has been having some good natured
fun writing about the Topeka A.A.
group and its new clubhouse. The Sunflower
state has been legally dry since 1880. Today,
the only legal beverages have no more than 3. 2
per cent alcoholic voltage to induce consumption.
Topeka, home of 67, 833 persons, bastion
of state dry laws and lawmakers, has had an
A. A. group since 1943 and, says one journalist,
"Adding to doubts of Topekans who have seen
whiskey bottles tossed on the statehouse grounds
and lying along Kansas Avenue, A. A. has now
moved into the finest clubrooms in the city. " The
newsmen carefully mention the fact that A. A.
isn't at all interested in whiskey from a prohibition
angle, that it is dedicated to the rehabilitation
of alcoholics who honestly want to recover.
Kansas City, Kan., is another of the groups to
buy its own clubhouse. Located at 1925 North
Eleventh Street, the former mansion has had
partitions ripped out downstairs, reducing the
once many-roomed house into a meeting hall,
while upstairs four rooms remain for general
use."
GV Jan46, "News Circuit" column mentions:
"At the first anniversary
shindig of the Wichita, Kans., Group, which
brought members from Kansas City, Topeka,
Oklahoma City and Tulsa, guest speakers were
Father Fred Mann, Catholic priest from Wichita,
and the Rev. Raymond E. Dewey, a Methodist
clergyman from McPherson. "
GV Feb46, "New Groups" column mentions Garden City, Kansas;
GV Feb46, "News Circuit" column mentions:
"Kansas City, Kans., papers carried pictures of that city's
A.A. hilltop clubhouse, a two-story brick structure
with a Norman tower on one corner and
the letters "A.A." in red and white over the
door. When the old house was purchased early
last spring, The plumbing was out of kilter and
the plaster falling off the walls. Today it is
clean and pleasant, painted and well maintained,
with cooking and bathroom facilities on
both floors. "Anything we have done for the
house," said one of the members, "has been
done with money which otherwise would have
been spent on liquor. It looks to us like pretty
good economics."
GV Aug46, "News Circuit" column mentions:
"The group at Hays, Kansas, now numbers
28 active members, which is encouraging
growth for a comparatively short time, especially
in a small community."
GV Oct46, "New Groups" column mentions KANSAS—Spearville.
GV Feb47, has an article called:
Prison and Welfare Magazines Carry Articles on A.A.
" Two articles on Alcoholics Anonymous have
appeared in recent magazines.
"Here's Looking at You!" appeared in The.
New Era, a magazine devoted to developing a
better understanding between the prisoner and
society, while the other, "Some Aspects of A.A."
was written by a member of the Indianapolis
Group and appears in the fall issue of Public
Welfare in Indiana.
The first begins: "The infant has matured.
The Leavenworth (Kansas, Federal Prison)
Group of Alcoholics Anonymous has discarded
its swaddling clothes to become a formidable
factor in the reclamation program of the huge
penitentiary. Eighty former tipplers, men who
have run the gamut of riotous living to suffer
social obscurity and prison sentences have now
dedicated themselves to the Herculean task of
'lifting the face' permanently off the bar room
floor."
This statement by the secretary is followed
by an endorsement by Dr. Manly B. Root,
prison psychiatrist, who says, "It is just as well
that you don't concern yourself with why you
are alcoholics, but recognize your affliction as
a fact and seek to adjust your lives accordingly."
This is followed by half a dozen statements
from members and an explanation by prison
authorities that they have maintained a "hands off"
policy.
The second article explains A.A. and how it
functions, with emphasis on creating better understanding
on the part of laymen."
GV Mar47, "New Groups" column mentions
KANSAS—Coffeyville; Honor Farm Group;
United States Penitentiary at Leavenworth.
GV Apr47, "New Groups" column mentions KANSAS—Great Bend.
GV Oct47, "New Groups" column mentions KANSAS—Mission, Salina.
GV Nov47, "News Circuit" column mentions:
"Scheduled for November 16 and 17, the third
anniversary plans of the Wichita, Kans., Group
were not complete at the time for Grapevine
copy. Open house at the club rooms, 536 North
Broadway, on Saturday afternoon and night with
the dinner and main meeting to come Sunday
afternoon are the principal plans. Good representation
from groups in Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri
and Texas is expected."
GV Jan48, "News Circuit" column mentions:
"Wichita did it again," it is triumphantly
reported from that city in
Kansas with regard to the third anniversary
which drew about 350 persons,
representative members from
eight states. Included in the two
day session were speeches by the
founder of the Des Moines, Ia, Group,
the founder of the Amarillo, Tex.,
Group, a woman member, and Dr. R.
M. Gouldner, prominent non-A.A.
Wichita physician and surgeon who
has assisted the group."
GV Feb48, "New Groups" column mentions KANSAS—Argonia, Lawrence, Parsons
(Lone)
GV Mar48, "New Groups" column mentions KANSAS — Arkansas City,
McPherson, Pratt
GV Apr48, "New Groups" column mentions KANSAS—Abilene, Hutchinson.
GV Aug48, "News Circuit" column mentions:
"The Lawrence, Kansas
Group reports a growing membership.
They now have seven members. "
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Kentucky
GV Dec45, "News Circuit" column mentions the first regional AA
convention in Birmingham AL and Kentucky is one of the states mentioned
that had members in attendance.
GV May46, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Russell.
GV June46, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Ashland.
GV Aug46, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Frankfort.
GV Oct46, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Outwood, Owensboro, and
Shelbyville.
GV Dec46, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Frankfort, Box 316;
Fulton.
GV Mar47, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Fort Knox.
GV Apr47, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Cynthiana; 0wensboro.
GV May47, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Bowling Green.
GV July47, in the "News Circuit" column it mentions:
"Church Cooperates—At its 119th annual convention
the Episcopal diocese of Kentucky adopted
a plan to provide psychiatric treatment for alcoholics
in cooperation with A.A. The new wing
being constructed at Norton Memorial Infirmary,
the diocesan hospital, will be given over to the
program. "
GV Oct47, has a short article, "Would you Believe It?"
" 1 month has 30 days;
8 months — 240 days;
1 day has 24 hours;
240 days have 30 x 240 or 7,200 hours
30 members, therefore, would have
216,000 man-hours.
The "24-hour" plan of A. A Will it work?
Darned if I know; I won't say that it WILL
but I will say, tho, that it HAS . . . with the
Lexington, Kentucky Group.
Although only a little over a year old this
group has a total enrollment of probably 75;
some have died, others, have moved away and
we have lost track of them; some had their
curiosity satisfied; some got their wives to stop
nagging; some have reached that lowest strata
and we never see or hear of them BUT we do
have, we KNOW, 30 staunch and true members
with an average of at least eight months of
sobriety.
These were not "screened"—they were the
high and the low; they were the boys who acknowledged
they were powerless over alcohol;
who came to believe that only a Power greater
than themselves could restore them to sanity;
who turned their will and their lives over to the
care of GOD, as they understood HIM; who
made an effort to follow the teachings of the 12
Steps—AND MEANT IT. They were a lot of
self-confessed, egotistical drunks. Those boys
now have a record of 216,000 man-hours of
sobriety BEHIND THEM.
And yet each of them is only 24 hours AHEAD
of a drunk BUT they are AHEAD of it and not
BEHIND IT. It looks like a photo-finish but I'll
take a ticket that it will show in another eight
months that each of these will show himself in
the "Winner's Circle" and that John Barleycorn
will be given the place, or second, position.
IT HAS WORKED.
WILL it? Darned if I know—BUT . . . H.G.H."
GV Nov47, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Harlan, Maysville (K.O.
Group)
GV Feb48, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Covington, Mayfield
GV June48, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Paducah.
GV Jly48, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Somerset.
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++++Message 5948. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Spanish AA materials and History
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The March 1946 issue of the Cleveland, Ohio
Central Bulletin contains this article:
THE BOOK IS TRANSLATED
Richardo P., of the Mexican Consullate in
Cleveland, and tremendously impressed with the
work of AA. Has translated the entire AA book
in the Spanish language, and it will soon be
printed in Mexico for the benefit of its
people. Ric is to be commended for this fine
demonstration of the 12th step.
Mentions that I have heard of this Cleveland
"first" alluded that "Dick" had his wife do
much (most?) of this translation work. So
there an element of truth in all of the
statements: that it happened (was translated)
in Cleveland, happened (was printed) in Mexico,
was done by an AA, and was done by an Al-Anon
(although this was years before real Al-Anon
started).
I now thoroughly understand why historians
refer to "first" as the f-word.
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From: Mitchell K.
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009
Most probably, the very first Spanish AA
materials came out of Cleveland, Ohio and
translated by Dick Perez in the early 1940's.
Dick began to translate the Big Book into
Spanish pretty much just after he got sober.
Dick was of Mexican ancestry so I guess the
first Spanish AA material did, in a way, come
out of Mexico.
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On Mon, 8/10/09, juan.aa98
(juan.aa98 at yahoo.com)
wrote:
I am looking for Spanish AA books and material
from the 1940's, 50's, and 60's.
The very first Spanish AA material came out of
Mexico in 1947 translated by an Al-Anon, the
Akron panphlet titled A.A.
But I am also looking for the History of the
Podium, widely used in AA meetings in Spanish
in all of Latin America and Spanish-language
meetings in the US.
Where did that practice come from?
Any information on either of the above will be
appreciated.
Juan R.
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