++++Message 5950. . . . . . . . . . . . Why and how did Tradition 8 develop?
From: priscilla_semmens . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/19/2009 1:41:00 PM
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Why -- historically -- was this tradition
developed?
"Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever
nonprofessional, but our service centers
may employ special workers."
If I understand it correctly, I am interpreting
it to say:
AA members can go out into a career field
because of their personal knowledge on alcoholism
(and this is ok), however they should not be
doing 12th Step work. We do not get paid for
12th step work.
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++++Message 5951. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First AA group - updated August
19, 2009
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/19/2009 3:21:00 PM
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We've still got a total blank for Louisiana,
Massachusetts, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska,
Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North
Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon,
Rhode Island, and South Dakota.
Also no information at all for British
Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland
and Labrador, Prince Edward Island, and
Saskatchewan.
Also no information on the strong tradition
of Spanish-speaking AA in Mexico, etc.
And India? And how about the first country
with a strong Buddhist tradition, where
Bill W. was so delighted to see their
adaptation of the Twelve Steps to Buddhist
spirituality? What country was that, and
when did that happen?
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THE 50 U.S. STATES:
***Alabama: Birmingham group mentioned in
......July 1945 Grapevine
***Alaska: August 1945 Grapevine says first
.....group in Alaska was in Skagway
***Arizona: Tucson, Feb. 22, 1943
***Arkansas: Little Rock April 19, 1940
......(Bob Pearson's AA history gives late May 1940)
***California: San Francisco November 21, 1939
***Colorado: Denver, August 19, 1941
......March 1946 Grapevine said that two Colorado
......Springs groups were five years old (so also
......founded in 1941)
***Connecticut: Greenwich June 16, 1939
***Delaware: Wilmington mentioned in January
......1945 Grapevine
***Florida: Jacksonville December 1940
......(reg. with New York June 30, 1941)
***Georgia: July 1944 GV mentions Atlanta;
......August 1948 GV refers to Atlanta's 7th
......anniversary, i.e., started c. 1941
***Hawaii: Honolulu December 14, 1943
***Idaho: Nov. 1945 GV says Boise had the
......first Idaho group
***Illinois: Chicago (Evanston) September 21, 1939
***Indiana: Evansville April 23, 1940
***Iowa: Des Moines Oct 1943
***Kansas: Topeka, 1943
***Kentucky: Bob Pearson's history says that the
......first group was formed in Louisville in June
......1941 by Jim McC. from the Indianapolis group
Louisiana
***Maine (disputed): Bangor claims to have
......started a meeting in 1946 (and a group with
......that name reg. with New York January 11, 1947)
......VS. Portland (reg. with NY January 7, 1947)
***Maryland: Baltimore June 16, 1940
Massachusetts
***Michigan: Detroit December 1939
***Minnesota: Minneapolis April 1941
Mississippi
***Missouri: St. Louis October 30, 1940
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
***New Jersey: South Orange May 14, 1939
New Mexico
***New York: New York City fall of 1935
North Carolina
North Dakota
***Ohio: Akron, Dr. Bob's last drink on
......June 17, 1935; founding celebrated in Akron
......as July 4, 1935 (Bill Dotson discharged
......from Akron City Hospital)
Oklahoma
Oregon
***Pennsylvania: Philadelphia, 1st organizational
......meeting February 28, 1940 (Jimmy Burwell had
......arrived in Philly on February 13; he formed the
......Philadelphia Mother Group on March 6, 1940
Rhode Island
***South Carolina: Spartanburg September 15, 1944
......(or Columbia in late November 1944)
South Dakota
***Tennessee: Chattanooga probably, c. 1941;
......July 1944 GV mentions groups in Chattanooga
......and Knoxville; February 1945 GV says the
......Chattanooga group was four years old, that is,
......c. 1941
***Texas: Houston February 1940; 1st meeting
......March 15, 1940 at the Houston YMCA
***Utah: Salt Lake City December 19, 1944
***Vermont: Montpelier October of 1944
***Virginia: Richmond 1941 (their first group
......started on June 6, 1940, but was based on the
......"drinking only beer" idea and soon fell apart)
***Washington State: Seattle April 19, 1941
***West Virginia: Charleston March 1, 1942.
***Wisconsin: Waunakee (along with Madison)
......had 20 members as of October 1, 1940
......(Milwaukee's group began on May 1, 1941)
***Wyoming: April 1946 Grapevine mentions
......a group in Rock Springs. July 1946 Grapevine
......says "with help from the Denver, Colo.,
......Group, an A.A. brunch got started in Cheyenne,
......Wyo."
***Washington D.C.: October 28 or 29, 1939 (acc.
......to page 31 of their intergroup history)
THE 10 CANADIAN PROVINCES:
***Alberta: Edmonton June 18, 1945
British Columbia
Manitoba
New Brunswick
Newfoundland and Labrador
***Nova Scotia: New Glasgow January 2, 1946
***Ontario: Toronto January 13, 1943
......(the first A.A. group in Canada)
Prince Edward Island
***Quebec: Montreal January 1945
Saskatchewan
WORLD:
***Australia: 1945, 1st outside Northern America !!!
......(1st Big Book received in Australia 1942)
***Ireland: Dublin November 18, 1946, 1st in Europe!!!
***UK (United Kingdom):
......England: London, the March 31, 1947 meeting
......at the Dorchester Hotel was the 1st UK group
......followed by Manchester with nearby Bolton
......in November 1948
......Scotland: Perth, Edinburgh and Glasgow 1949
......Wales: Cardiff April 13, 1951
***Denmark: 1st registered group January 1955
......("Ring I Ring -- Dansk AA" already existed,
......and had been in contact with the New York GSO,
......but rejected the spiritual aspect of the program)
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++++Message 5952. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: List of 12 step and other
recovery programs
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/20/2009 1:52:00 PM
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From: Dean at ComPlanners
(dean at complanners.com)
The original list was given in Message 5922
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/5922
Here are some additional links to twelve step
programs.
(In addition to these, there are quite a few
other programs that profess to use the 12 Steps,
but, as far as I can tell, they are just getting
started or appear to be the work of one or two
individuals rather than an actual "fellowship.")
Dean Collins
Monterey Peninsula, California
From the Online Alano Club at
http://www.onlinealano.org/dirs/links_other.php
Adreneline Addicts Anonymous
Anorexics and Bulimics Anonymous
Anti-Nutrient (Junk Food) Addicts Anonymous
Artists Recovering Through the Twelve Steps (ARTS) Anonymous
Chemically Dependent Anonymous
Clutterers Anonymous
Co-Anon Family Groups
Cocaine Anonymous
Co-Dependents Anonymous
Compulsive Eaters Anonymous
COSA (anyone affected by another person's compulsive sexual behavior)
Criminals & Gang Members Anonymous
Crystal Meth Anonymous
Debtors Anonymous
Debt-Anon Family Groups
Depressed Anonymous
Double Trouble in Recovery (dually diagnosed)
Dual Recovery Anonymous
Eating Addictions Anonymous
Eating Disorders Anonymous
Emotions Anonymous
Families Anonymous
Food Addicts Anonymous
Gam-Anon (for families and friends of compulsive gamblers)
Gamblers Anonymous
Grey Sheeters Anonymous (compulsive overeating)
HCV Anonymous
HIV Anonymous
Incest Survivors Anonymous
Love Addicts Anonymous
Manic Depressives Anonymous
Marijuana Anonymous
Messies Anonymous
Methadone Anonymous
Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD/DID) Anonymous
Neurotics Anonymous
Nicotine Anonymous
Obsessive Compulsive Anonymous
Obsessive Eaters Anonymous
Online Gamers Anonymous
Overeaters Anonymous
Overcomers Outreach (Christian recovery support groups using the 12 Steps)
Parents Anonymous (child abuse prevention)
Pills Anonymous
Phobics Anonymous
Recoveries Anonymous
Recovering Couples Anonymous
S-Anon (for those affected by someone else's sexual behavior)
Schizophrenics Anonymous
Self Mutilators Anonymous
Sex Addicts Anonymous
Sexaholics Anonymous
Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous
Sexual Compulsives Anonymous
Sexual Recovery Anonymous
Sex Workers Anonymous
Social Phobics Anonymous
Spenders Anonymous
Suicide Anonymous
Survivors of Incest Anonymous
Teen-Anon
Workaholics Anonymous
http://www.onlinealano.org/dirs/links_aa_alanon.php
Agnostic AA Meetings
Alcoholics Victorious (Christian)
Birds of a Feather (pilots, aviation)
Calix Society (Catholic)
Christians in Recovery
Anesthetists in Recovery
International Advisory Council of Homosexual Men and Women in Alcoholics
Anonymous
International Doctors in Alcoholics Anonymous (health care professionals of
doctorate level)
International Lawyers in Alcoholics Anonymous
International Pharmacists Anonymous
Jewish Alcholics, Chemically Dependent Persons and Significant Others
Nurses in Recovery
Recovering Nurses
Secular Organizations for Sobriety (non-12-Step)
Veterinarians in Recovery
Additional Groups (at the Self-help Clearing House, PeaceHealth.org)
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++++Message 5953. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: List of 12 step and other
recovery programs
From: John Lee . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/20/2009 2:11:00 PM
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From John Lee and theammermans
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From: John Lee
(johnlawlee at yahoo.com)
In 1989 New York Magazine did a cover story
on the 12-Step groups in New York City. There
were 28 of them listed in the NYC phonebook. A
representative from each group was interviewed.
The reporter tried to interview someone from
Isolators Anonymous, but the reporter's messages
were not returned.
[True story, I still have my copy of the
magazine.]
John Lee
Pittsburgh
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From: theammermans
(theammermans at yahoo.com)
Wikipedia has a list with links to Twelve Step
programs patterned after AA, as well as a list
of Programs partially patterned after AA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Twelve-Step_groups
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++++Message 5954. . . . . . . . . . . . Bill W. and High Watch Farm
From: bsa330 . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/20/2009 9:19:00 AM
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Hi, All-
I'm pretty much a lurker here. I love hearing
all this history. I am very grateful for all
the knowledge available here.
I am wondering if anyone can point me in the
direction of information regarding High Watch
Farm, in Kent CT. I know Bill W. visited and
even turned down an offer from Sister Francis
to give the Farm to AA.
I'd like to know a little more on the history
of this & figure someone out there can tell me
where to find it.
I'm taking a group of Alateens there this
weekend to the open speaker meeting (and dinner)
and would love to give them some more background
on the place.
Thanks, everyone, I've learned so much.
Dave Tanner
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++++Message 5955. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: St. Francis, Bill W., and
Alcoholics Anonymous
From: mdingle76 . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/20/2009 7:52:00 AM
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Dear AAHL group:
I can't help putting my 2 cents in on the topic
of St. Francis and the 12&12 (or AA for that
matter). I can't shed any light on the wording
of the prayer or the mistaken author of the prayer
(I thought it was St. Francis myself till a few
years ago).
But I thought I'd mention a little about Bill's
love for Francis (as told to me by Tom Powers —
12&12 editor/co-author). Tom said that after
Bill had his famous spiritual experience in
Towns that Ebby went back to the Oxford Group
telling them about what happened to Bill and
asked what he should do to help him. They said
bring him 2 books.
Many people in AA know that this is when the
book The Varieties of a Religious Experience
hit the scene, but many people don't know that
Ebby also brought Bill another book: The Little
Flowers of St. Francis.
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TWO OF THE VERSIONS OF THE LITTLE FLOWERS
OF ST. FRANCIS ONLINE ARE:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/mary/flowers.htm
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/ugolino/flowers.html
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/ugolino/flowers.toc.html
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It's very believable to think that this event
(getting that book at that time) lead to Bill's
love for Francis. The Little Flowers of St.
Francis has a number of little stories, and
many of them telling of sudden mystical/spiritual
experience. It is known that Francis had a
Bill W. experience (or really the other way
around) and then suffered from depression
afterwards.
Both Tom and Bill were fascinated with the nature
and after-effects of spiritual experience (for
they both had this kind of experience themselves
and they both had years of what we would now be
mislabel as "mental illness" that followed).
I don't have the book "Pass it on" in front of
me but Tom Powers quotes Francis in it saying
something like, "After my conversion, I've never
been well."
Bill also studied Francis on the money front —
using the modern day Franciscan virtue of "poverty"
for the society of Alcoholics Anonymous.
One last thing that Tom said about Bill and St.
Francis is that Bill used to say that Francis
was the patron saint of the society of Alcoholics
Anonymous. Francis may be more important to out
movement than we know?
Matt D. (AAHL member)
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++++Message 5956. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First AA group - updated August
19, 2009
From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/20/2009 2:50:00 AM
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In how many countries does AA now have a presence?
Laurie A.
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++++Message 5957. . . . . . . . . . . . Beginnings of AA in Massachusetts,
Tradition 7 and Tradition 8
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/22/2009 3:14:00 PM
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Massachusetts: Boston, first began meeting
regularly in March 1941 at the Jacoby Club
headquarters at 115 Newbury Street.
When Boston AA began it was simply part of the
Jacoby Club, in the same way that when New York
and Akron AA began, they were regarded as part
of the Oxford Group.
Also please note that when Boston AA finally
split from the Jacoby Club, it was over those
issues which would later be formalized as
TRADITION SEVEN and TRADITION EIGHT. That is
important in terms of understanding the
historical development of those two traditions.
See Rich Dubiel's book on the Emmanuel Movement
and the Jacoby Club, Chapter 7, from which I
quote below.
http://hindsfoot.org/kDub1.html
http://hindsfoot.org/kDub2.html
Early A.A. in Boston
"The first A.A. meetings were held irregularly,
but by March of 1941, Burt C. and Paddy had
settled on Wednesday nights at the Jacoby Club's
115 Newbury Street address for the official
weekly group meeting. The Boston group's
history adds that there were then about four
or five alcoholics in the group."
"The history of A.A. and its relationship to
the Jacoby Club becomes a bit cloudy at this
point. The Jacoby Club archival material
supports two basic facts: A.A. and the Jacoby
Club were intertwined for a period and then
separated. The Boston A.A. group met at the
Jacoby Club facilities and was melded with the
Club, according to Ernest Jacoby, 'for quite
a while.'"
"The clear split at the financial level
occurred when the Jacoby Club wrote a letter
to Alcoholics Anonymous on May 31, 1941,
informing the group that it 'regretfully
recommends that the management of each group
be entirely separate and distinct from that
of the other.' The letter cited two basic
differences. First, the Jacoby Club was a
charitable institution, 'receiving money from
and making appeals to the public.' A.A., being
self-supporting, did not (a self-imposed rule
which would later become A.A.'s Seventh
Tradition). Second, the Jacoby Club employed
'a salaried man who is not an alcoholic'
(Hatlestad), whereas A.A. was operated without
paid professionals (the rule which was later
formalized in A.A.'s Eighth Tradition). It is
interesting to note that already as early as
1941, A.A. members were assuming the absolute
necessity of certain organizational principles
which would later be formalized in the Twelve
Traditions in 1945-6."
"Although the Jacoby Club letter made it clear
that they no longer wanted the A.A. people
telling them how to manage their business,
nonetheless it was cordial in tone, including
an offer to continue allowing A.A. the use of
Jacoby Club rooms. The letter ended with a note
of thanks to A.A. 'for the opportunity [the
Jacoby Club] has been given to contribute its
small share to their work.'"
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++++Message 5958. . . . . . . . . . . . Beginnings of AA in Massachusetts:
from the Grapevine
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/22/2009 3:02:00 PM
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From: t
(tcumming at nc.rr.com)
Massachusetts (from the Grapevine)
GV June45, in the News Circuit column:
"a Massachusetts legislative recess-commission
recommendation made in May, the state's liquor
drinkers would pay $2 a year for a "personal
license" and a state hospital would be established
with the money to treat alcoholics. A
448-page report declared that crime, mental ill-
ness and charity costs from inebriety in the state
totaled $60,000,000 annually , compared with
liquor revenues of $13,139,266 in 1943. Licenses
would be revoked for abuse. The commission
also recommended labeling liquor with "directions"
for moderation and a warning against
over-indulgence. *"
GV Oct45, in the News Circuit column:
"A New Jersey
member recently outlined the A. A. program before
the Summit Rotary Club, as did a Massachusetts
member in Salem, with A.A.s and
Rotarians alike attending from Beverly, Danvers,
Ipswich, Lynn, Marblehead, Peabody,
Somerville, Waltham and North Adams ."
GV May46, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTSâ”Fall River,
Holyoke, Hyannis,
and South Ashburnham.
GV June46, in the News Circuit column:
"The first joint meeting of the Greater Boston
Groups of A.A.â” for the financial benefit of the
office of the Boston Central Service Committeeâ”
was attended by about 400. All contributions,
and they were generous, went to help maintain
Boston's Central Office. Visitors came from
Hartford and Manchester, Conn.; Montpelier,
Vt.; Maine, Massachusetts and other New England
groups. One of the guest speakers was the
Rev. Father James Timmins of Manchester,Conn.
Members from Boston attended meetings of
two new groups recently: Lawrence, Mass., and
Dover, N.H. . . . A group is getting under way
at the Veterans Hospital, Bedford, Mass."
GV June46, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Lawrence.
GV Oct46, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Salem.
GV Nov46, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Watertown,
Wellesley
Hills.
GV Dec46, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Boston (South
End);
Brookfield; Hyde Park; Worcester (No. 2.
GV Jan47, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS: Attleboro;
Arlington, Men's Group; Newburyport, Box 165.
GV Jan47, in the News Circuit column:
"Growth in New England. â” In less than
three years, A.A. groups in Massachusetts have
increased from two to 36, or a gain of 1800
percent, while Connecticut shows a 700 percent
gain, according to a member of the Newtonville,
Mass., Group. Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont
and Rhode Island, starting from scratch, now
have 13 groups. The formation of an efficient
Central Service Committee in Boston last spring
has been a vital factor as was the attendance of
about 600 at the sixth anniversary banquet.
New England groups now include the following,
which the A.A. Grapevine has been asked
to list: Massachusetts: Boston, Brockton, Brookline,
Brookline Village, Cambridge, Cape Cod,
Hyannis and Falmouth, Dorchester, Edgartown,
Fall River, Fitchburg, Greenfield, Haverhill,
Holyoke, Hyde Park, Lawrence, Lynn, Malden,
Mattapan, New Bedford, Newton, Norwood,
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