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| > Re: Shoemaker as "Anglican in good standing" -- no. An Anglican (or rather
> Episcopalian), yes. In good standing, well, there is considerable > indication that "Soapy Sam" was regarded by much of the "establishment" of > the Protestant Episcopal Church in the U.S.A. (PECUSA) as slightly off the > course. > > I met Sam at the General Seminary ca 1959-60 as the guest of a friend who > got his S.T.B. there in 1961 -- but discovered only last year, talking to my > friend, that he had "had to move heaven and earth" to get Sam on the campus > at all in the face of opposition from that establishment -- and this was > some years after Sam left NYC for Calvary Pittsburgh. > > "God as you understand him" was in fact a Shoemaker idea (Dick B. has > provided a fair amount of documentation on this). > > Remember Frank Buchman was a Lutheran and the OG was considered somewhat > "infra dig" by PECUSA. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6942. . . . . . . . . . . . Your own concept of God: Shoemaker and Elwood Worcester From: corafinch . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2010 8:28:00 AM
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to do with the slippery meanings of "Anglican" within the American church. I'll
avoid that briar patch, but I do think it is fair to say that orthodoxy in the
Episcopal Church tends to be local. Bishops are of course supposed to be collegial, but there have always been individualists among them who don't believe in broad highways.
He immigrated from England as a teenager, and ultimately became one of the most conservative bishops of his time. Besides conservatism, he had a reputation for
ruthlessness in pursuit of his own goals and opposition to liberals. Bishop Manning liked Sam Shoemaker and his branch of the Oxford Group. So, despite being more evangelically oriented than most New York Episcopalians, Sam Shoemaker certainly qualified as orthodox. It seems to me that Shoemaker's advice about taking "baby steps" toward faith is
quite traditional, and not really the same thing as choosing a God of one's own
understanding. Surrendering "as much as one can to as much of God as one understands" was to be a starting point, not an end point. In contrast to Shoemaker, Elwood Worcester of the Emmanuel Movement was an Episcopal priest who was in fact friendly with those in the liberal branch of the ECUSA and appears (I've read a collection of letters he exchanged with another priest) to have been afraid of Bishop Manning and his allies. Worcester was of course in a different diocese, but Manning's tentacles went far.
From: ckbudnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/14/2010 3:59:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I've had luck with previous posts on this topic, so I will try again. Does anyone have know about prison based AA groups in Connecticut in the 1950's/1960's? The AlconAire (South Dakota State Penitentiary) lists the following publications on their Give and Take page:
"Niantic State Farm for Women" from Niantic, CT "CSP News" from Wethersfield, CT
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NA meetings in prisons in CT during this time period? Email me if interested in seeing a copy of the issue of the AlconAire that references one of these groups: Thanks, Chris B. Raleigh, NC IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6944. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Make amends? or make an amends? New York Times article From: Jonathan Lanham-Cook . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/10/2010 12:06:00 AM
(lanhamcook at gmail.com) How strange? As an Englishman who would acknowledge that my English is far from
perfect, I am surprised by this article. To 'make an amends' is clearly incorrect and I can't even see why anyone would even bother to write about it: you either make amends (plural) or make an amend (singular), how can anyone not see that? Very strange. Jonathan L-C (Bristol, UK) - - - - From: John Moore (contact.johnmoore at gmail.com) We "make amends" which is the process in general, and we "make an amend" which
refers to one specific amend. Those are the AA terms as I know them. But...to describe the amends process as a "remorseful focus" shows that the writer has never made one. Our 9th step is a positive, constructive course of action that has little to do with apologizing. John Moore South Burlington VT - - - - On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:56 AM, > > This New York Times article discusses literature, AA and the question of whether the word amends is singular or plural: > > On Language - "Making an Amends" - NYTimes dot com > > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/magazine/10onlanguage.html?_r=1 > > Shakey Mike Gwirtz > Phila, PA USA > > ============================================= > On Language > 'MAKING AN AMENDS' > Published: October 8, 2010 > The New York Times Magazine > > Meg e-mails: "I am a member of a 12-step program in which the eighth and > ninth steps refer to 'making amends.' When people share their experience > with these steps, they often talk about 'making an amends' as if it were a > combination of singular and plural. I find this so annoying that I may need
> to make amends for interrupting people to correct their grammar. But perhaps
> I am in error. Could you please advise as to the correctness of 'making an > amends'?" > > The 12 steps to recovery first outlined by the founders of Alcoholics > Anonymous, Bill Wilson and Bob Smith, have been enshrined in A.A.'s "Big > Book" for more than seven decades. Over the years, the remorseful focus on > "making amends" in Steps 8 and 9 has extended beyond the A.A. movement to > the language of recovery more generally, even making an appearance in the > public statement by Tiger Woods earlier this year apologizing for his > marital infidelities. > > While Woods said in his prepared statement, "It's now up to me to make > amends," he modified the idiom in an interview with ESPN the following > month, speaking of the "many people I have to make an amends to." Woods is > hardly alone in treating the word amends as a singular noun, or even > alternating between singular and plural interpretations of the word. > > Uncertainty over how to treat amends is far from new. The Oxford English > Dictionary has examples of amends used in a distinctly singular fashion all
> the way back to the fifteenth century. The English essayist Joseph Addison > wrote of making "an honorable amends," and T. S. Eliot, in his poem > "Portrait of a Lady," posed the question, "How can I make a cowardly amends
> / For what she has said to me?" > > Amends came into English from the Old French word amendes, meaning "fines" > or "penalties," the plural of amende, meaning "reparation." But while the > singular form persisted in French, it dropped out of English, leaving us > with a plural noun that has no proper singular equivalent. Something similar
> happened with other words in the language, like alms, odds, pains and > riches. > > Noah Webster tried to sort out this confusion in his 1789 book, > "Dissertations on the English Language." Webster held that "amends may > properly be considered as in the singular number," but concluded that > judgment of the word as singular or plural was ultimately "at the choice of > the writer." He saw the word means as a parallel case: if means expresses a > single action to achieve a result, it can be thought of as singular despite > the -s ending, but if it encompasses more than one action, it can take the > plural reading. > > Sadly, idioms don't always accord with logical argumentation. The singular > version of means survives in the frozen phrase, a means to an end, but > singular amends has never made much headway in standard English. Make an > amends is vastly outnumbered by make amends in written use, though it is > likely more popular in everyday speech, as Tiger Woods demonstrated when he > went off-script. Notwithstanding illustrious predecessors like Addison and > Eliot, it's best to make amends and not an amends, lest your act of > contrition turn into a grammatical squabble. > =============================================
From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/11/2010 4:12:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII See my posting about the history of the Big Book in Great Britain. Message #6865: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6865 I donated my Great Britain* second edition to the British GSO archives at York.
*The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland; Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. AA in Northern Ireland (Ulster) is covered by the Irish fellowship (Eire and Northern Ireland). - - - - Original message from: (lanhamcook at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 Subject: Re: font used in Big Book I have a number of Big Books including 1st editions 9th and 15th printings, complete set of second editions and 1st printings of the 3rd and 4th editions - I also have UK 3rd and 4th editions (I'm after a UK second edition). It would seem that they all have either Kaufmann or Park Avenue (I'm absolutely no expert so I'm going on what's been discussed here).
it's
essentially a US 14th printing reproduced and printed in the UK -- however the
Caps at the beginning of the chapters are totally different. The text is unaltered and appears to be the same type face but with slightly different spacing -- anybody know anything about this?
From: hdmozart . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/12/2010 9:11:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Looks like somehow we got two threads going on the same topic - I hope I'm not
speaking in stereo - Message 6681 has some of the same /additional info including samples http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6881 John, I am more a font enthusiast than an expert, but if you wanted to take some
reasonably close up pics of the drop caps in your book(s), I would be happy to take a swing at trying to identify it - one each of as many of the different letters that you can find - It was a pretty quick task with a digicam for the
two different versions I have - Email them to me at (email at LaurenceHolbrook.com) Trying to be helpful to others one day at a time - Larry IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6947. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Amazon edition: Original working manuscript of the Big Book From: N FINLAYSON . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/12/2010 7:02:00 AM
(in Argyll in western Scotland) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6948. . . . . . . . . . . . Betty Van N. (El Paso, Texas) has died, 65 years sober From: Norm The Tinman . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/14/2010 10:42:00 PM
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010 Maybe some of you bumped into Betty, in your travels. What a gift!! I just wanted to pass along that one of our treasures has passed on. Betty Van
Nortwick, who got sober in Chicago April 8, 1946, passed away yesterday at the
age of 95 in El Paso . We thought that maybe as of the other day, she may have
been the person with the longest continuous sobriety in AA. When Betty came in to the fellowship, she was discouraged from joining because
of her gender, and she insisted that she had earned her seat. The men finally
let her in. Apparently getting sober in Chicago in the 40's was not quite like
today. Betty lived in Arizona after Illinois and then for the past 30 years here
in El Paso . She was an active member of the fellowship, attending meetings weekly and sponsoring women up until the day she died. Her sponsees will want to remark, I'm sure. We had the privilege of videoing her story two years ago, and there are copies
in the AA archives in El Paso and Tucson. God bless and we'll pass along any service information. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6949. . . . . . . . . . . . Fredrick Haskin article From: traditionsway . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/16/2010 3:11:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Does anyone know of an newspaper article on AA written by a Fredrick Haskin around 1941? I believe he wrote for the LA Herald, but I could be wrong. I know the AP picked it up and it was carried by local papers here in Montana.
Dubuque, Los Angeles, South Bend, Sacramento From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/17/2010 4:00:00 PM
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Smithsonian CLEVELAND: May 9 - August 29, 2010: The Maltz Museum of Jewish History in Cleveland ELLIS ISLAND: September 24, 2010 - January 22, 2011: Ellis Island DUBUQUE: February 18, 2011 - May 22, 2011: The Mississippi River Museum and Aquarium in Dubuque LOS ANGELES: June 17 - August 14, 2011: Mount St. Mary's College, Los Angeles
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 Subject: Re: Make amends? or make an amends? New York Times article
(lanhamcook at gmail.com) How strange? As an Englishman who would acknowledge that my English is far from
perfect, I am surprised by this article. To 'make an amends' is clearly incorrect and I can't even see why anyone would even bother to write about it: you either make amends (plural) or make an amend (singular), how can anyone not see that? Very strange. Jonathan L-C (Bristol, UK) - - - - From: John Moore (contact.johnmoore at gmail.com) We "make amends" which is the process in general, and we "make an amend" which
refers to one specific amend. Those are the AA terms as I know them. But...to describe the amends process as a "remorseful focus" shows that the writer has never made one. Our 9th step is a positive, constructive course of action that has little to do with apologizing. John Moore South Burlington VT - - - - On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:56 AM, > > This New York Times article discusses literature, AA and the question of whether the word amends is singular or plural: > > On Language - "Making an Amends" - NYTimes dot com > > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/magazine/10onlanguage.html?_r=1 > > Shakey Mike Gwirtz > Phila, PA USA > > ============================================= > On Language > 'MAKING AN AMENDS' > By Ben Zimmer > Published: October 8, 2010 > The New York Times Magazine > > Meg e-mails: "I am a member of a 12-step program in which the eighth and > ninth steps refer to 'making amends.' When people share their experience > with these steps, they often talk about 'making an amends' as if it were a > combination of singular and plural. I find this so annoying that I may need
> to make amends for interrupting people to correct their grammar. But perhaps
> I am in error. Could you please advise as to the correctness of 'making an > amends'?" > > The 12 steps to recovery first outlined by the founders of Alcoholics > Anonymous, Bill Wilson and Bob Smith, have been enshrined in A.A.'s "Big > Book" for more than seven decades. Over the years, the remorseful focus on > "making amends" in Steps 8 and 9 has extended beyond the A.A. movement to > the language of recovery more generally, even making an appearance in the > public statement by Tiger Woods earlier this year apologizing for his > marital infidelities. > > While Woods said in his prepared statement, "It's now up to me to make > amends," he modified the idiom in an interview with ESPN the following > month, speaking of the "many people I have to make an amends to." Woods is Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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