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The buyer sold it a couple years later to a Houston man, who asked Hazelden to make it public. As word is beginning to get out about the manuscript, some see fuel for the current fight about faith-based treatment and whether it's more effective. Jack Cowley, a former prison warden who worked with AA for decades and now helps
run faith-based prison programs, said the manuscript reflects "a cop-out" on Wilson's part, to make an inherently religious process "the least confrontational."
Cowley said. "It's the scripture where the power is, it's not AA. . . . This is the same thing we're doing today. We're downplaying the faith issue to get more people."
============================================= There is also a good article on it by the AP writer Leanne Italie which we have
already posted: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6912 but you can see the original Leanne Italie article at: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fea_lifestyles_aa_s_big_book and http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/39408523/ns/today-books/ IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6918. . . . . . . . . . . . Article with two Chapter 5 Pages from the Original Big Book Manuscript From: jblair101 . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/1/2010 3:56:00 PM
original manuscript," which includes two pages from the Chapter 5 manuscript, can be found at: http://www.addictionpro.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?type=Publishing&mod=Publications% 3A%3\
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AA founders debated approach in original manuscript: Hazelden Publishing to release original AA Big Book manuscript this fall
Addiction Professional, posted on 8/26/2010 Long before word processors gave us the luxury of tracking our text edits for
the next reader, Bill Wilson, founder of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA), passed around 400 physical copies of his recovery doctrine for revisions and suggestions. Afterward, he and a few of his colleagues copied the most significant of those contributions onto one manuscript, which would eventually become AA's Big Book -- a text used faithfully by addiction professionals and those in recovery since its first publication in April 1939. The Big Book went on to sell over 20 million copies worldwide, but the original
manuscript and its many contributions remained hidden from public view. It was
stored in Bill and Lois Wilson's home until 1978, when Lois passed the manuscript on to friend Barry Leach, who maintained its privacy for 30 more years.
Roberts for $850,000. Roberts then presented the manuscript to Hazelden, who will release the book in two editions, one cloth and one leather-bound, this October.
relates to addiction and recovery," says Nick Motu, senior vice president of Hazelden and publisher at Hazelden Publishing. "To those that use the Big Book and the 12 Step process as core to their profession, it would be very interesting for them to understand what went into the conceptual beginnings of the 12 Step model of treatment." The manuscript shows text revisions and comments inked in a variety of colors,
indicating the work of four to eight core contributors that Hazelden will identify in its release this fall. "Readers … will see the rejected suggestions, inserts, crossed-out comments, and then last minute changes," Motu says. Along with the original manuscript, Hazelden's editions will include: Comments from leading archivists in the margins; Two essays by Big Book and AA historians; Annotated notes on the text; A publication timeline; and A 1954 speech by Bill Wilson on the making of the Big Book.
Though it's no secret to the addiction profession, much debate arose over how AA would present its principles, which relied heavily on religion. "Of special interest in the manuscript will be the debates that occurred … over
the role of religion and spirituality in AA," says Motu. "Bill Wilson really was
adamant about making AA spiritual rather than religious, and you will see that
not only in the comments of those that were accepted but also of those that were
rejected." For example, on the opening page of Chapter 5, one contributor noted that ideas
in the text "should be studied from the mold angle." Fred Holmquist, historian and director of Hazelden's The Lodge Program, attributes this commentary to the
fellowship's fear of triggering newcomers' religious prejudices. "It talks about their understanding that religions sometimes pour people into a
mold, and it's a little bit one-size-fits-all," he says. "Typically, alcoholics had not found relief from alcoholism in their religions, yet some had, but the
idea was that they did not want to arouse religious prejudice that already existed in people." Similarly, another contributor makes a note of "His Divine Consideration" across
the bottom of the page near Step 9, which states, "Made direct amends to people
wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others." To Holmquist, this reference is still obscure, but he has some speculations. "If it's referencing Step 9, then the idea of doing what you need to do unless
it will injure them or others would be a matter of Divine Consideration," he says. "They were avoiding the density of religious-sounding language, and that would be an example of somebody maybe noting what spiritual or religious principle it represented, simultaneously written in pragmatic language." From "prescribing" to "describing" a program of recovery Widespread changes in the manuscript signal AA's decision to avoid prescriptive language -- such as "you should do this" -- in favor of descriptive language -- such as "we did this." Holmquist says this typifies AA's strategy of addressing the newcomer with gentleness and accessibility while maintaining respect for the medical community. "They were respecting the attitude of the newcomer as perhaps being defensive or quick to run," he says. "Also, to other professionals, it was clear they took
out specific references that could make the authors sound like they were prescribing medical or psychiatric or psychological recommendations." Holmquist attributes the original use of a prescriptive voice as the result of the founding members' sincerity and seriousness about their program of recovery. "Their heart was right, but they realized in looking at it that it would probably be overwhelming for a newcomer to look at and think, ‘I have to do all
of this stuff,'" he says. "So they just reverted to sharing what they did, which
is what I think is at the heart of attraction not promotion." This is evident in the paragraph following the final step on page 31, where the
original text read: "You may exclaim, what an order! I can't go through with it!" The contributors changed this to, "Many of us exclaimed," which allows the newcomer to share in the original AA fellowship's own experience of feeling overwhelmed by the program's requirements. "These people realized it was far more pragmatic to … settle for doing a little
bit better each day," Holmquist says. "That's why the idea of this being both a
program of action and a fellowship is so important, because you get so much from
the combination of both versus just one." =============================================== IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6919. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Font used for initial capitals in Big Book? From: hdmozart . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/23/2010 3:03:00 AM
Avenue
- The Drop Caps in my First Edition, Ninth Printing, January 1946 are Kaufmann - I
believe they are standard as opposed to bold, but that I'm not sure of - I didn't study them detail, but I believe the Drop Caps in my Third Edition, Seventy-Fourth Printing 2001 are also Park Avenue - I posted unpublished web pages with graphics so everyone/anyone can see the fonts, can make their own observation and are free to agree/disagree with my choices -
http://www.laurenceholbrook.com/AAHistoryLovers/ First Edition (9th) http://www.laurenceholbrook.com/AAHistoryLovers/FirstEdition.htm Fourth Edition (1st) http://www.laurenceholbrook.com/AAHistoryLovers/FourthEdition.htm There's no rush on my part to remove the pages, but it would be nice if someone
copied or saved them in some more appropriate place for posterity - Anyone is free to save them off the web or email me if you want my (very simple)
html and graphics - Hope this helps - Larry H IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6920. . . . . . . . . . . . Mark Whalon From: ron.fulkerson . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/3/2010 7:59:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII LIFE magazine did a story on Mark Whalon for the January 18, 1943 issue. It's a wonderful glimpse into the Vermont countyside and Bill W.'s childhood friend who carries the mail in his 1935 Plymouth coupe...ronf
From: Doug B. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/3/2010 6:02:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Ron, The pictures in that article are great! Mark also wrote an autobiographical book about growing up in East Dorset: "Rural free delivery; recollections of a rural mailman" He's a pretty funny guy.... I wouldn't doubt that he is buried in the same cemetery as Bill and Lois but on my last photo trip there....I forgot to look for him! Doug Barrie www.aahistory.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LIFE magazine did a story on Mark Whalon for the January 18, 1943 issue. It's a wonderful glimpse into the Vermont countyside and Bill W.'s childhood friend who carries the mail in his 1935 Plymouth coupe...ronf IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6922. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Mark Whalon From: ron.fulkerson . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/4/2010 7:30:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII John Mark Whalon is buried in the Catholic cemetery just off Mad Tom Road in East Dorset,Vermont. Found the grave and took pictures there in August. (ron.fulkerson at yahoo.com) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6923. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Mark Whalon From: Jay Pees . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/4/2010 9:23:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Anybody have a link to this Life magazine story? Jay Pees - - - - "ron.fulkerson" wrote: LIFE magazine did a story on Mark Whalon for the January 18, 1943 issue. It's a wonderful glimpse into the Vermont countryside and Bill W.'s childhood friend who carries the mail in his 1935 Plymouth coupe...ronf - - - - On Sun, Oct 3, 2010, Doug B. > Ron, > > The pictures in that article are great! > > Mark also wrote an autobiographical book about growing up in East > Dorset: "Rural free delivery; recollections of a rural mailman" > > He's a pretty funny guy.... > > I wouldn't doubt that he is buried in the same cemetery as Bill and Lois > but on my last photo trip there....I forgot to look for him! > > Doug Barrie > www.aahistory.com IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6924. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: font used in Big Book From: Laurence Holbrook . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/2/2010 4:36:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII FWIW, The drop caps in my Third Edition, New & Revised 1976 are also Park Avenue font
(Same as my Fourth Edition First Printing Otober 2001)- The Third Edition had 16 printings from 1955 to 1974 before the New & Revised
Third Edition in 1976 - Drop cap font was changed from Kaufmann to Park Avenue sometime after First Edition Ninth Printing 1946 and before Third Edition New & Revised in 1976 - Because they look the same, I didn't bother to post samples from my Third Edition - ----------------------- My Windows XP system has Park Avenue installed on it - And I have a copy of Kaufmann, if anyone can't find it on the web - Larry Holbrook ----------------------- (email at LaurenceHolbrook.com) (410) 802-3099 Current Location: Farm Road 350 & Frederick Drive Livingston, Texas 77351 Polk County Central Standard Time L N 030° 42' 01.4" Lo W 094° 59' 55.7" Elevation 105' Permanent Address (Mail/Parcels): Laurence Holbrook 161 Rainbow Drive #6183 Livingston, Texas 77399-1061 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6925. . . . . . . . . . . . Wikipedia article on Effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/5/2010 3:49:00 PM
Recovery Outcome Rates which was given in 2008 by Arthur S., Tom E., and Glenn C. of the AAHistoryLovers. See the Wikipedia article: "Effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effectiveness_of_Alcoholics_Anonymous They only cite the original article in Note 14: "Arthur S; Tom E., Glenn C (11 October 2008). Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) Recovery
Outcome Rates: Contemporary Myth and Misinterpretation." But if you look at the whole Wikipedia article, you can see that they have entirely accepted the interpretation which Arthur, Tom, and Glenn put on the figures.
as an Adobe Acrobat PDF file: http://hindsfoot.org/recout01.pdf or as an MS Word file: http://hindsfoot.org/recout01.doc
manuscript of the Big Book From: LES COLE . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/2/2010 6:22:00 PM
ordered it before the release date. Les Cole Colorado Springs, Colorado - - - - 3:00 p.m. October 6, 2010 From: Glenn Chesnut (glennccc at sbcglobal.net) I ordered my copy from Amazon September 28th and received it in the mail this
afternoon (October 6th). It's beautifully printed, with each page of the original reproduced in color, at its full original size, so you can see what color pencil was used for each correction or comment.
(ineedpage63 at cox.net) Amazon is out of stock and does not know if they will be getting more. Hazelden will not say why it can be purchased for less from someone else. Does anyone in this forum have the fancy limited edition bound in leather? - - - - 3:00 p.m. TODAY October 6, 2010 From: Glenn Chesnut (glennccc at sbcglobal.net) Amazon says this afternoon (at the time this message is being posted): Buy new: $65.00 reduced to $38.02 Not in stock; order now and we'll deliver when available. - - - - From: William Middleton (wmiddlet44 at yahoo.com) The Book That Started It All : The Original Working Manuscript of Alcoholics Anonymous Amazon says, Buy new: $65.00 reduced to $40.95, usually ships in 7 to 13 days Barnes and Noble says, "List price: $65.00 Online Price: $38.00 (You Save 41%) Usually available in 1-2 weeks" Borders says, "Hardcover $65.00 Search used copies from $93.11 Backorder - Usually ships in 4 to 8 weeks." Shipping and handling might vary and I don't know how to guess at that. I have
an "Amazon Prime" account and pay a flat rate for all my shipping charges for a
year, so I got ten of them from Amazon for $409.50. They are for Christmas presents and they are nice! LOVE and HUGs! Bill Middleton Dunwoody, GA
Bill or Lois Wilson From: Sherry C. H. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/4/2010 12:30:00 AM
W or
his wife Lois Wilson. What about book royalties being assigned to upkeep and perpetuation of Stepping
Stones? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6928. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Big Book royalties to others than Bill or Lois Wilson From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/6/2010 3:37:00 PM
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/5329 Message #3671 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/3671 Message #3261 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/3261 Message #1964 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/1964 Message #1781 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/1781 From "Getting Better: Inside Alcoholics Anonymous" by Nan Robertson, to be published by William Morrow in April 1988: At the time of his death, early in 1971, Bill Wilson was earning about $65,000 a year in royalties from the Big Book and three other books he wrote for A.A. Last
year, his widow, Lois, received $912,000 in royalties. Under the terms of the
agreement Bill concluded with A.A. headquarters in 1963, she was allocated 13.5
per cent of Wilson's royalties. Another 1.5 percent went to his last mistress, who died a few years after Bill.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/1739 April 23, 1940 - Dr. Bob wrote the Trustees to refuse Big Book royalties, but
Bill Wilson insisted on them for Dr. Bob and Anne. ______________________________ Message #864 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/864 The information that follows was gleaned from the following: 1. Grateful To Have Been There, Nell Wing (pg 92). 2. Pass It On, AAWS (pgs 235-236 and 393). 3. Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers, AAWS (pgs 267-269). 4. Bill W., Francis Hartigan (pgs 118-120 and 153-154). 5. Lois Remembers, Lois Wilson (pg 199). 6. Advisory Actions of the General Service Conference of AA, publication # M-39
$30 weekly stipend from a $5,000 fund set up by J. D. Rockefeller, Jr. The bulk of the fund was used to pay off Dr. Bob's mortgage. Bill and Bob were in very severe financial straits.
life. This was initiated by Bill as a condition of he and Hank P. turning over their 2/3 controlling interest of stock to Works Publishing Inc. (and the Alcoholic Foundation Board). Hank, who was drinking at the time, received a $200
payment for office furniture he claimed he owned. Bill was later granted 10% royalties. I can't find the specific date it started other than "shortly after" Dr. Bob received them. 1942: Oct., Cleveland's Clarence S. raised a controversy when he found out both
Bill and Bob were receiving royalties from Big Book sales and he had a confrontation with Dr. Bob over it. Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers says "Dr. Bob's reluctance to accept the money faded under the impact of reality."
circumstances would not be conducive to his earning a living. His son Smitty is quoted as saying that Dr. Bob's medical practice improved over World War II. However, between Anne's later infirmities and his own, there was likely substantial expenses as well. Beginning in 1940, both founders were assigned 10% royalties on Big Book sales
and they accepted them. It should not be viewed as a pejorative. Dr Bob's royalty assignment would have lapsed at his death (Nov. 16, 1950). Royalty Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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