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(Philosophy of As If), published in 1911, but written more than thirty years earlier.[3] Vaihinger was born in Nehren, Wuerttemberg, Germany, near Tuebingen, and raised
in what he himself described as a "very religious milieu". He was educated at Tuebingen, Leipzig, and Berlin, became a tutor and later a philosophy professor at Strasbourg before moving to the university at Halle in 1884. From 1892, he was a full professor. In Philosophie des Als Ob, he argued that human beings can never really know the
underlying reality of the world, and that as a result we construct systems of thought and then assume that these match reality: we behave "as if" the world matches our models. In particular, he used examples from the physical sciences, such as protons, electrons, and electromagnetic waves. None of these phenomena have been observed directly, but science pretends that they exist, and uses observations made on these assumptions to create new and better constructs. Vaihinger admitted that he had several precursors, especially Jeremy Bentham's Theory of Fictions. In the preface to the English edition of his work, Vaihinger expressed his Principle of Fictionalism. This is that "an idea whose theoretical untruth or incorrectness, and therewith its falsity, is admitted is not for that reason practically valueless and useless; for such an idea, in spite of its theoretical nullity, may have great practical importance." This philosophy, though, is wider than just science. One can never be sure that
the world will still exist tomorrow, but we usually assume that it does. Alfred
Adler, the founder of Individual Psychology, was profoundly influenced by Vaihinger's theory of useful fictions, incorporating the idea of psychological fictions into his personality construct of a fictional final goal.>> __________________________________
Neo-Freudian psychiatry that appeared in Adler was a major influence on the way in which early AA's looked at the psychological aspects of the 12-step program. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now
From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/23/2010 3:27:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII PS: One of the corny sayings we hear in AA is, "Fake it to make it." I wonder
where that first appeared? _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now
From: Mary Latowski . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/22/2010 8:38:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Not sure of the origin of the following but my 1st sponsor used to quote it often:
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Mary Pat Latowski South Bend
> > I recently came across this which tweaked my curiosity. > > "The rule for us is perfectly simple. Do not waste time bothering whether > you "love" thy neighbor; act as if you did. As soon as we do this we find > one of the great secrets. When you are behaving as if you loved someone, you > will presently come to love him." > > "Some Christian writers use the word charity to describe not only Christian > love between human beings, but also God's love for man and man's love for > God. About the second of these two, people are often worried. They are told
> they ought to love God. They can not find any such feeling in themselves. > The answer is the same as before. Act as if you did. Do not sit trying to > manufacture feelings. Ask yourself, "If I were sure that I loved God, what > would I do?' When you have found the answer go and do it. > > pp.131-132 Mere Christianity C.S. Lewis > > Recognizing the AA fellowship suggestions of "Act as If" and "Fake it till > you make it" I decided to follow the trail and the joy in finding the > following from William James > > "If you want a quality, act as if you already had it." > > Although I find this quote all over the internet I could not source it to a > particular work of James. > > I found this by Norman Vincent Peale > > Enthusiasm Makes the Difference p.20 > > Many years ago the noted psychologist, William James, announced his famous > "As If" principle. He said "If you want a quality act as if already had it."
> Try the "as if" technique. It is packed with power and it works. > > I also came across this Wiki Post > > Sam Shoemaker gets the credit for originating the "Act As If" and "Fake It > Until You Make It" practice that is popular in Alcoholics Anonymous and > Narcotics Anonymous circles. Note that Shoemaker invented that clever > persuasion technique to help in the religious conversion of doubtful > newcomers, not to help anyone to quit drinking or drugging: > > "Act As If" > > In 1954, the Reverend Samuel M. Shoemaker wrote a story about an > unfortunate who came to him admitting that he didn't believe in God and > certainly didn't know how to pray. Shoemaker asked him to "try an > experiment," as he had nothing to lose. He asked him to get down on his > knees and say anything at all that came to his mind, addressing his thoughts > to "The Unknown." He then asked if the man could read just one chapter from > the Bible, from the book of John. Solely out of respect for Shoemaker, the > man obliged, but fighting every step of the way. This went on for some time,
> until one day the man actually began praying to God and reading the Bible > and other works on his own. The man eventually became a spiritual leader > within his church. Shoemaker believed that this was possible because the man
> "acted as if he had faith" until faith came by accident, or "until there was
> an opening for God to come through." > > The slogan "act as if" has been used in AA circles ever since. > > A Ghost In The Closet: Is There An Alcoholic Hiding?, Dale Mitchell, Page > 194. >
> "technique" to Sam Shoemaker who could have gotten it from either William > James or C.S. Lewis. But Sam surely may have introduced this to the > fellowship. > > I also found this by Sam Shoemaker in the October 1955 Grapevine "The > Spiritual Angle" > > "When one has done the best he can with intellectual reasoning, there yet > comes a time for decision and action. It may be a relatively simple > decision: really to enter wholly into the experiment. The approach is more > like science than like philosophy. We do not so much try to reason it out in > abstract logic; we choose a hypothesis, act as if it were true, and see > whether it is. If it's not, we can discard it. If it is, we are free to call
> the experiment a success." > > Several other things in the CS Lewis book caught my eye as I found many > similarites with the philosophy of the 12&12. It would appear that Lewis's > writings were an influence on both Sam Shoemaker and Father John Ford who > helped Bill with the 12&12. But one example is given below. > > 12&12 p.109 > > From great numbers of such experiences, we could predict that the doubter > who still claimed that he hadn't got the "spiritual angle," and who still > considered his well-loved A.A. group the higher power, would presently love > God and call Him by name. > > CF - Lewis ..."presently come to love him." > > If anyone else has any insight on Act as If or Father John Ford's work on > the 12&12 I'd be quite interested. > > God Bless > > John B
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6485. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Singleness of purpose From: Kimball ROWE . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/23/2010 1:36:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII If you consider sources other that literature, then there are the "blue" cards
from GSO that were printed as general guidance for open and closed meetings: This is an open meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous. We are glad you are all here -
especially the newcommers. In keeping with our singleness of purpose and our Third Tradition which states that "The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking," we ask that all who participate confine their discussion to their problems with alcohol. This is an closed meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous. In support of A.A.'S singleness of purpose, attendance at closed meetings is limited to persons who have a desire to stop drinking. If you think you have a problem with alcohol, you are welcome to attend this meeting. We ask that when discussing our problems, we confine ourselves to those problems as they relate to alcoholism. I don't know when they were first published, but they both refer to "singleness" ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Chesnut To: AAHistoryLovers group Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Singleness of purpose
(dolli at dr-rinecker.de) I have a question, where does the phrase "Singleness of Purpose" come from? Who used it first?
chapter on Tradition Five, "Each group has but one primary purpose - to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers." 1st line of 5th paragraph refers to: "this singleness of purpose" And then the 1st line of the next paragraph refers to: "the wisdom of A.A.'s single purpose." And then several paragraphs further along it says: "Thank heaven I came up with the right answer for that one. It was based foursquare on the single purpose of A.A."
Twelfth Step, the result has been exactly the same: Our single purpose has been defeated." Glenn Chesnut (South Bend, Indiana, U.S.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6486. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Burning desire From: Kimball ROWE . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/23/2010 1:50:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII WARNING: OPINION FOLLOWS I do not know where "burning desire" came from, nor who spoke it first. But I do believe that "burning desires," as I understand them, have been with us from the very start. In the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous, pg 159-160, it describes two types of meetings (similar to closed and open meetings). The description that best fits the open meeting talks about a "time and a place where new people might bring their problems." This is my understanding of a "burning desire." pg 159-160 A year and six months later these three had succeeded with seven more. Seeing
much of each other, scarce an evening passed that someone's home did not shelter
a little gathering of men and women, happy in their release, and constantly thinking how they might present their discovery to some newcomer. In addition to these casual get-togethers, it became customary to set apart one night a week for a meeting to be attended by anyone or everyone interested in a spiritual way of life. Aside from fellowship and sociability, the prime object was to provide a time and place where new people might bring their problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dolores To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:42 AM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Burning desire
that I have received thru History Lovers. I have a question, where does the phrase "burning desire" come from? Who used it first? At the beginning of meetings, one often hears the phrase used, "does anyone have a burning desire?" What does this really mean? as I often find it misused by some members to complain about other members.
From: Bill Lash . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/23/2010 9:30:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII An Alcoholic's SaviorNew York Times, 4/20/10 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/20/health/20drunk.html?scp=1&sq=HOWARD%20MARK EL&st=cse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6488. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Regarding longest sobriety in A.A.
From: Jim . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/24/2010 8:50:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII How about Tom I. sober since 1957. Paul Martin of Chicago passed away last August. I believe he had 62 years. --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "J. Lobdell" > > One problem with the list for determining the longest sober living person in AA is that, so far as I can tell, none of those listed at the top of the list are living. > > Of those who are easily identifiable, Barry C. and Ed W. (founders in Minneapolis and Ed wrote the Little Red Book) are dead for many years (Ed d. 1971?).
> > Duke P. of Toledo likewise dead, Al M. (Los Angeles founder) also dead, Clancy U. of Hawaii likewise (Dick B could give you a date), Tex A. likewise (I think he died fairly recently, if I have the right "Tex"). > > I can't place Cynthia C. and should be able to if she got sober in March 1940. > > Another problem is that when I get down the list to a point between Stan W. (Jan 6 1946) and Jack T. (Nov 11 1946) I don't find Clyde B. (Jun 20 1946) whom I know and who is alive. > > Nor do I find, at the place where he ought to be, Chet H (Apr 4 1949) whom I know and who is alive. > > Nor do I find Mel B. (Apr 15 1950) whom many of us know and who is certainly alive -- in fact he's speaking in Wapokoneta soon. > > Nor do I find Clancy I. (Oct 31 [I think] 1958) whom most of AA knows and who is certainly alive. > > I think it might repay inquiry to check out all those on the list with dates before the longest-sober living person we have found, but I'm not entirely hopeful we'll come up with someone. > > And who WAS Cynthia C? > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6489. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: When Love Is Not Enough - Ebby?
From: John Theede . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/26/2010 2:15:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi: I was sort of surprised to see that the film shown on the evening of April 25 on CBS portrayed Ebby as having such a continous contact with Bill all through his drinking days. I have read Mel B's book about Ebby, and it mentions nothing about him being employed at the same brokerage house in NYC as Bill at the same time as Bill was employed there.  Ernie Kurtz's book about AA (Not God) also mentions that Ebby and Bill hadn't seen each other for a few years when Ebby showed up to see him in 1934, stating that Bill hadn't seen Ebby since a Burr
and Burton school renunion.   ????? --- On Thu, 4/15/10, Soberholic From: Soberholic Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: When Love Is Not Enough, premier Irvington NY, April 25
To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 9:13 AM Â Looking forward to see this magnificent story of Lois (and Bill) over here too.
Scandinavian and other European languages, too. This was not the case with "My Name Is Bill W." - the dvd was available with Spanish and French subtitles only. Makes me sad because of the significance of the Fellowship for so many of us in Europe, too. There was an initiative to get all the paper work concerning rights done in publishing a dvd with Scandinavian subtitles in the case of "My
Name Is Bill W." but it led nowhere. So far, at least.  Keep the good thing going on! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6490. . . . . . . . . . . . Big Book Disussion group, Barking Saturday night. From: martinholmes76@ymail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/25/2010 6:00:00 AM
Opinion?
++++Message 6491. . . . . . . . . . . . Question regarding Area appointing trusted servants rather than electing.... From: luv2shop . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/21/2010 4:58:00 PM
a debate, just if anyone has any experience with this and could point me in the correct direction...... Our District is wanting to change our service structure to where the current chairman "appoints" the treasurer and secretary of the district. In the past these positions have been filled through elections. The rationale is that the
chairman/person would be able to appoint people to these positions that he/she
feels comfortable with and personally knows that they can perform the dutites.
Tradition 2 states, in part, that "....our leaders are but trusted servants they
do not govern..." One (of the many) definitions of govern it to "appoint." What if there are two people equally qualified in every way but the chairperson chose his/her buddy because they are comfortable? Now the question. After reading the scenario, does anyone know where I could find out more about this and educate myself? Is there anything in literature anywhere that has dealt with this in the past? I would greatly appreciate hearing from you and pointing me in the right research direction. Thank you for everything that is done in this group! It is such a treasure trove of information!! Yours in the fellowship Donna W.
++++Message 6492. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: Regarding longest sobriety in A.A.
From: Jim Hoffman . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/27/2010 5:17:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Here in Largo, Florida we just ( 4-14-10) lost Carl D. D.O.S Dec. 17, 1947 Originally Grand Rapids, MI. We still have with us Alice S. sober since 1948 - Originally NYC.
From: Jim To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Regarding longest sobriety in A.A.
> > One problem with the list for determining the longest sober living person in AA is that, so far as I can tell, none of those listed at the top of the list are living. > > Of those who are easily identifiable, Barry C. and Ed W. (founders in Minneapolis and Ed wrote the Little Red Book) are dead for many years (Ed d. 1971?).
> > Duke P. of Toledo likewise dead, Al M. (Los Angeles founder) also dead, Clancy U. of Hawaii likewise (Dick B could give you a date), Tex A. likewise (I think he died fairly recently, if I have the right "Tex"). > > I can't place Cynthia C. and should be able to if she got sober in March 1940. >
W. (Jan 6 1946) and Jack T. (Nov 11 1946) I don't find Clyde B. (Jun 20 1946) Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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