know more than I do. I stand corrected many times on AAHL(It keeps me very
humble) so please let me know if I am wrong here. It's very late at night.
This is my first chance to express my thoughts on this subject and I don't
want to miss out on all the fun.
God bless you all,
Shakey Mike
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++++Message 5903. . . . . . . . . . . . Pennsylvania History and Archives
Gathering: August 8, 2009
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/31/2009 12:20:00 PM
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From: "Al Welch"
(welch at a-1associates.com)
I have been attending this for the last few
years and I find that if you have interest in
AA history, it is a day well spent.
Everything is free and the presenters are
always recognized historians.
Multi-district History and Archives Gathering
Saturday, August 8, 2009
Host: Lebanon District 65 of
Eastern Pennsylvania Area 59
8:00 - 9:00 a.m.
Registration free (donuts and coffee)
OPENING REMARKS
SPEAKERS AND PANELS
9:10 a.m. - 11:50 a.m.
LUNCH BREAK (FREE LUNCH)
SPEAKERS AND PANELS
12:50 p.m. - 4:50 p.m.
CONCLUDING REMARKS
4:50 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Speaker and events include:
Jack B of North Jersey, who's working on early
NY/NJ AAs including the signatories to the First
BB Sold (the Ginny MacL copy at GSO).
Bill L will be recording.
We hope also to have new reports on the
writers/editors who assisted Bill on the
2nd Edition and the 12&12 and AACOA.
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++++Message 5904. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First AA group in the U.K.
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/29/2009 5:32:00 PM
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On the beginnings of AA in Scotland:
For what it's worth, Philip D attended the great OG meeting in Massachusetts
in
June 1936 where Shep C. was present (along with Helen Wills Moody and Mrs
Henry
Ford) -- I don't know if he remained in touch with Shep after Shep's second
divorce (his second wife was an OG member, as was the minister who married
them)
but it would be interesting to find out -- letters in the H. Alexander Smith
Collection at Princeton might provide some kind of answer. In any case,
Philip D
had an AA Connection long before 1948 (tho' he may not have known it).
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> From: johncpine@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009
>
> From the UK A.A. site
> http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk/geninfo/13history.htm
>
> Meanwhile in Scotland the Oxford Groups had an instrumental role in AA
> beginnings as they had in America. The wife of Philip D, an active
> alcoholic, attended an Oxford Group in Scotland and heard about the
Groups'
> role in the start of AA. Philip visited America in 1948 and attended
> meetings before returning to Scotland and carrying the message. Forbes C
got
> involved and meetings began in Perth, Edinburgh and Glasgow in 1949.
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++++Message 5905. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: The A.A. Group
From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/31/2009 1:30:00 PM
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The six point definition of a group was replaced in 1991 and then again in
1992 with the following Conference-approved definition (see the service
Manual and The AA Group pamphlet).
1992 Conference (Literature) Advisory action:
The six-point definition of an AA group be removed from all literature and
replaced by the long form of Tradition Three and a section of Warranty Six,
Concept XII (listed below):
Tradition Three:
"Our membership ought to include all who suffer from alcoholism. Hence we
may refuse none who wish to recover. Nor ought AA membership ever depend
upon money or conformity. Any two or three alcoholics gathered together for
sobriety may call themselves an AA group, provided that, as a group, they
have no other affiliation."
Warranty Six:
"... much attention has been drawn to the extraordinary liberties which the
AA Traditions accord to the individual member and to his group: no penalties
to be inflicted for nonconformity to AA principles; no fees or dues to be
levied-voluntary contributions only; no member to be expelled from AA -
membership always to be the choice of the individual; each AA group to
conduct its internal affairs as it wishes - it being merely requested to
abstain from acts that might injure AA as a whole; and finally that any
group of alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an AA
group provided that, as a group, they have no other purpose or affiliation."
Cheers
Arthur
-----Original Message-----
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lash
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:21 AM
To: barefootbill@optonline.net
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] The A.A. Group
Can someone please verify what it says below (if anyone have a version of
this pamphlet prior to 1991). Thanks.
Just Love,
Barefoot Bill
The 6-Point Definition of an AA Group from the 2/1990 version of the
pamphlet "The A.A. Group":
1. All members of a group are alcoholics and all alcoholics are eligible for
membership.
2. As a group they are fully self-supporting.
3. A group's primary purpose is to help alcoholics recover through the
Twelve Steps.
4. As a group they have no outside affiliation.
5. As a group they have no opinion on outside issues.
6. As a group, their public relations policy is based on attraction rather
than promotion, and they maintain personal anonymity at the level of press,
radio, TV, and film.
These were taken out of the pamphlet in 1991.
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++++Message 5906. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: No groups before GSO ??
From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/31/2009 6:15:00 PM
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Response to Shakey Mike:
Shakey,
The Intergroup/Central Office structure did not precede what is today called
the General Service Office (GSO).
Chronology:
On August 5, 1938 the Alcoholic Foundation was created as a charitable
trust. It conducted business at the office of NY member Hank P (Parkhurst)
at his company Honors Dealers in Newark, NJ.
In September 1938, Hank P persuaded Bill W to form Works Publishing Inc.
In March 1940, the Alcoholic Foundation office moved from 17 William St
Newark, NJ to 30 Vesey St in NYC.
In May 1940, Works Publishing Inc was legally incorporated as a publishing
arm of the Alcoholic Foundation.
After publication of the Jack Alexander article of March 1941 the NY Office
asked the groups and members for donations of $1 ($14 today) per member per
year for support for extra staff to answer the thousands of appeals for
help. This began the practice of financing what is today called the "General
Service Office" from group and member donations.
In the early 1940s the NY office was called either the "Headquarters" or
"Central Office" or "General Office."
In August 1941 Clarence S (Snyder) founder of AA in Cleveland and Cleveland
pioneer Abby G (Goldrick) helped start AA's first Central Office. The office
also published AA's first newsletter, the "Cleveland Central Bulletin" in
October 1942.
In June, 1944 Volume 1, No. 1 of the Grapevine was published.
The New York City Central Office (they call it "Inter-Group") was founded in
1946.
In April 1946 the AA Grapevine was legally incorporated as the second
publishing arm of the Alcoholic Foundation.
In an April 1947 paper, Bill W recommended a General Service Conference and
renaming the "Alcoholic Foundation" to the "General Service Board of
Alcoholics Anonymous."
In 1953 the Alcoholic Foundation changed the corporate name of "Works
Publishing" to "Alcoholics Anonymous Publishing."
The 1954 Conference approved renaming the "Alcoholic Foundation" to the
"General Service Board of Alcoholics Anonymous."
The 1958 Conference recommended that the name "General Service Headquarters"
be changed to "General Service Office."
The 1959 Conference approved renaming "Alcoholics Anonymous Publishing" to
"Alcoholics Anonymous World Services" (AAWS).
Cheers
Arthur
-----Original Message-----
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shakey1aa@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:50 AM
To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Shakey1aa@aol.com
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] No groups before GSO ??
A question arises; Were none of the original groups actually groups? All
the discussion about a group only being a group if it registered with
General Services in New York is preposterous .There was no registration of
groups
(with group service number) when these original groups were formed. When
did this fallacy that a group is only a group if it registers with GSO and
is assigned a group number. There is AA outside of GSO. Most of the
original groups formed in larger metropolitan centers and became
Intergroups. The
Intergroup /Central Office Service Structure came before General Service
and is not included in the GSO Service Structure. That's the way they
wanted
it. A group can be formed and not register with GSO if it chooses to do so.
All groups are autonomous.
Look at the early Service Bulletins that Bill sent out. There were
reports of AA in ABC and XYZ cities and no group registration numbers. The
early Grapevines mentioned the additional groups being formed. Ruth Hock
would get a letter from the group secretary in the "early days"saying that
the
group had started, how many members were in the group and where to send a
book or two(prepaid) to the group secretary's address. In Phila the
secretary position was rotated I think every 3 months. Phila also was the
first
mother group to support NY financially.
Wasn't it the Alcoholic Foundation then?
Maybe someone can tell us when the first group service number was
assigned and how long after it was proposed did it come to be?
I'm trying to maintain the same enthusiasm for AA that I had when I
first came in, and as always willing to learn and be taught by those that
know more than I do. I stand corrected many times on AAHL(It keeps me very
humble) so please let me know if I am wrong here. It's very late at night.
This is my first chance to express my thoughts on this subject and I don't
want to miss out on all the fun.
God bless you all,
Shakey Mike
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++++Message 5907. . . . . . . . . . . . Markings
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/31/2009 5:40:00 PM
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Markings -- the AA Archival Newsletter -- is
now only available online. This was done to
cut costs.
Look at the latest issue at
http://www.aa.org/en_pdfs/f-151-markings_summer-2009.pdf
The AA.org site has a lot of material on it that
pertains to AA History. The Jack Alexander pamphlet
is a good example.
Maybe some day they will have all the non-classified
(non-restricted) materials in GSO archives available
online, with Trustee approval, for legitimate
archival use. I wouldn't want to see it all over
the internet. That would sure be useful to a lot
of us. One way to accomplish this is to contact
your delegate and demand that OUR archives should
be available to us online. This is possible now.
We are in the 21st Century.
What a topic this would make at the NAW this
summer in Calif...
See You There,
Shakey Mike Gwirtz
Phila, Pa USA
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++++Message 5908. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: No groups before GSO ??
From: Lee Nickerson . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/31/2009 5:19:00 PM
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From Lee Nickerson, Kimball Rowe, and Kevin Short
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From: "Lee Nickerson"
(snowlilly12 at yahoo.com)
This "real" group thing is just an exercise in statistics, fantasy and
wishful
thinking. When I was printing the Maine State meeting book we had over 700
meetings on the list. Granted, a small portion of them were "Mother" groups
that
held multiple meetings but there were well over 650 different groups in the
state. GSO listed Maine at that time as having slightly over 400 groups. So
according to the real group formula, nearly 40% of the groups didn't exist.
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From: "Kimball ROWE"
(roweke at msn.com)
June 10, 1935 Dr Bob's first day of permanent sobriety and the birth of our
Society (Big Book)
June 26, 1935 Bill D sober's up resulting in A.A.'s first group
Nov 1, 1944 First Meeting of two alcoholics in Salt Lake City Utah (Delbert
P
and Owen L)
Dec 3, 1944 The Salt Lake Tribune publishes an article announcing AA coming
to
Utah and a short interview with Owen L. The article listed both the Salt
Lake
and Ogden PO Box numbers. It drew enough inquiries to cause a group to form.
Dec 19, 1994 First active AA group formed in Utah (more than 2 members). The
meeting took place in Salt Lake City. Owen L was elected Secretary.
AA used June 26, 1935 (three or more)
Utah uses Dec 19, 1944 (three or more)
So, regardless what the tradition says, it appears that Webster was correct,
2
is a pair and 3 or more is a group [having a unifying relationship and able
to
sustain a structure]. This is the same standard that Alcholholics Anonymous
used in announcing it's first group (Bill Bob Bill).
Now there are three types of groups discussed in our service literature, the
basic group, the registered group and the home group (these are not
synonymous).
But they all have one thing in common As far as I can tell, all groups are
service providers, providing an avenue toward sobriety, whether it be a time
and
a place to meet, or a date and time to access a hospital or institution,
etc.
In anycase, the group provides a service where a meeting is what happens
between
"Hi, my name is" and "Amen."
Basic Group - has no effective voice in AA, has no GSR but host meetings or
other activites related to sobiety.
Regeristed Group - has an effective voice in AA through the GSR voting at
district and area functions.
Home Group - A Regeristerd Group with Group Membership (all home groups, by
definition, are regisered and have a GSR, page S24 "the home group is where
they
[AA members] participate in busines meetings and cast their vote as part of
the
group conscience of the Fellowship as a whole) Each AA member may belong to
many groups, but have only one home group (one member one vote concept).
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From: "Kevin Short"
(kshort at oxmicro.com)
I believe groups are "listed" (not registered)
by GSO. It is a service GSO provides -- by no
means a requirement.
God bless,
Kevin
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Original message from Shakey Mike:
> A question arises; Were none of the original groups actually groups? All
> the discussion about a group only being a group if it registered with
> General Services in New York is preposterous .There was no registration of
groups
> (with group service number) when these original groups were formed. When
> did this fallacy that a group is only a group if it registers with GSO and
> is assigned a group number. There is AA outside of GSO. Most of the
> original groups formed in larger metropolitan centers and became
Intergroups.
The
> Intergroup /Central Office Service Structure came before General Service
> and is not included in the GSO Service Structure. That's the way they
wanted
> it. A group can be formed and not register with GSO if it chooses to do
so.
> All groups are autonomous.
> Look at the early Service Bulletins that Bill sent out. There were
> reports of AA in ABC and XYZ cities and no group registration numbers. The
> early Grapevines mentioned the additional groups being formed. Ruth Hock
> would get a letter from the group secretary in the "early days"saying that
the
> group had started, how many members were in the group and where to send a
> book or two(prepaid) to the group secretary's address. In Phila the
> secretary position was rotated I think every 3 months. Phila also was the
first
> mother group to support NY financially.
> Wasn't it the Alcoholic Foundation then?
> Maybe someone can tell us when the first group service number was
> assigned and how long after it was proposed did it come to be?
> I'm trying to maintain the same enthusiasm for AA that I had when I
> first came in, and as always willing to learn and be taught by those that
> know more than I do. I stand corrected many times on AAHL(It keeps me very
> humble) so please let me know if I am wrong here. It's very late at night.
> This is my first chance to express my thoughts on this subject and I don't
> want to miss out on all the fun.
> God bless you all,
> Shakey Mike
>
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++++Message 5909. . . . . . . . . . . . The new Indianapolis Photo History
Booklet is now online
From: Robert Stonebraker . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/3/2009 1:20:00 PM
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Dear AA History Lovers,
We now have two versions of the new Indianapolis
Photo History Booklet on a website:
Confidential -- for AA members only
http://www.aamuncie.org/files/Indianapolis_AA_History_July_2009.pdf
Public version - last names have been deleted
http://www.aamuncie.org/files/Indianapolis_AA_History_July_2009_Public.pdf
In service,
Bob Stonebraker
Archives, District 40, Area 23
P.S. The "Confidential" designed book can also
be found at www.4dgroups.org under "Downloads."
Robert Stonebraker
212 SW 18th Street
Richmond, IN 47374
(765) 935-0130
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From GC the moderator: this is a beautiful
example of a really good local history.
Indianapolis was one of the 27 earliest AA
groups started, AND it is a place where we
know a bit about what AA was like in that
city, so it is an important source for
AA historians desiring to know what AA was
like in the 1940's and 50's, the period
during which Big Book based AA swept over
the US and Canada, and then the world.
(Remember that before the Big Book was
published, AA had only 100 members at most,
and probably no more than 40 or so members
who were solidly sober and truly committed
to the fellowship. The extraordinary spread
of early AA and its impressive successes
were based on Big Book style AA.)
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++++Message 5910. . . . . . . . . . . . Pennsylvania History and Archives
Gathering: August 8, 2009
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/6/2009 4:39:00 PM
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6th Multi-District History & Archives Gathering
Sponsored by District 65 Area 59
(Eastern Pennsylvania)
Saturday August 8 2009
Susquehanna/Swatara Rooms, Myer Hall
Elizabethtown College
Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania
Registration 8-9 a.m.
Welcoming Remarks 9 a.m.
First Presentation (Research on Early Days in
NY etc. -- I) 9:15 a.m.
Break 10:05 a.m.
Second Presentation (Research on Early Days in
NY etc. -- II) 10:15 a.m.
Break 11:05 a.m.
Third Presentation (Research on Early Days in
NY etc. -- III) 11:15 a.m.
Lunch 12:05 p.m.
Fourth Presentation (Panel: The Uses of AA
History) 1:05 p.m.
Break 1:55 p.m.
Fifth Presentation (TBA) 2:10 p.m.
Concluding Remarks 3 p.m.
ARCHIVES FROM NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK,
PENNSYLVANIA, MARYLAND
From the East on the Turnpike: Exit at Rte 222
toward Lancaster. Follow 222 to 283 toward
Harrisburg. Travelling West on 283, follow
directions from Lancaster below.
From Harrisburg (North and West of Elizabethtown):
Take Route 283. Follow 283 East (toward Lancaster)
to Elizabethtown/Hershey exit and turn right at
the end of the ramp onto Route 743 South. Travel
south on Route 743 to Elizabethtown. Turn left
at second light onto Market Street (Route 230).
Go through center of town and past College
Avenue and turn left onto Cedar Street. Follow
directions from Cedar Street below.
From Lancaster (South and East of Elizabethtown):
Travel west on Route 283 to the Elizabethtown/Rheems
exit. Turn left at end of exit ramp onto Cloverleaf
Road and proceed one mile to Route 230. Turn
right and travel west to Elizabethtown. You will
be on South Market Street. Several blocks past
Lemon Street, but before you get to the center
of town, turn right onto Cedar Street. Follow
directions from Cedar Street below.
From York (South and West of Elizabethtown):
Take Route 30 East. After crossing the river
follow Rte 441 north. Turn right on Route 743
through Maytown and into Elizabethtown. Turn
left onto So Market Street. Go several blocks
and turn right onto Cedar St. Follow directions
from Cedar Street below.
From Lebanon: Take Rte 241 (from Rte 72 South
in Lebanon) into Elizabethtown where it joins
Rte 743 (first light in Elizabethtown) and then
Rte 230 (second light in Elizabethtown).
Turn left at second light onto Market Street
(Route 230). Go through center of town and past
College Avenue and turn left onto Cedar Street.
Follow directions from Cedar Street below.
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