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use the money, but A.A. is unequivocally noncommercial."

Acceptance of ads would expose

them to "pressure and to the theory of

obligatory back-scratching." Saldos amigos!"

[this places Chattanooga group as starting in sometime in 1941]
GV Feb46, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "Oak-Ridge, Tennessee"

GV May46, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Johnson City."


GV May46, in "News Circuit" column it mentions:

"The Memphis, Tenn., A.A.s a few month ago

began making calls on the alcoholics at the

West Tennessee State Hospital at Bolivar, at the

request of doctors in charge. Each band of visiting

A.A.s is different from the preceding one.

Some of the alcoholic patients, on release from

the hospital, are now beginning to get in touch

with the group."
GV Jun46, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Lawrenceburg

and Murfreesboro."

GV Jan47, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE: Athens."

GV Mar47, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Paris."

GV May47, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—McMinnville."
GV Jun47, in "News Circuit" column it mentions:

"Birthdays Recall Growth—More than 400

persons attended the third anniversary of A.A.

in Memphis, Term., at the Hotel Chisca recently.

From three members in April, 1944, Memphis

now has three groups, Downtown, 152 Madison,

closed meeting Friday; Crosstown, Character

Builders Hall, closed meeting Tuesday, and

Overton Park, at the clubhouse, Monday, all

sessions being at 8 o'clock. In addition there

is an A.A. breakfast at Britling's on Madison

Avenue, open, 9:30 A.M. Sunday; 12th Step

discussion at 152 Madison, closed, 3:30 Sunday

afternoons; open house, open at 8 Tuesday

nights; and Questions and Answers, closed session

for new members at 8 Wednesday nights.

Since many of these sessions are closed, the

Overton Park Group has been holding "Family

Open Meetings" about once a month with local

people in charge. The open meeting at the anniversary

party was addressed by a well-known

Des Moines, Ia., attorney, who told how be came

i n to A.A. through a man whom he had prosecuted

for drunkenness. In Memphis there is

also considerable interest in neighboring groups

throughout the region in Mississippi, Arkansas,

Tennessee and even in Southern Kentucky. The

Central Club room at 152 Madison is open every

day from 9 A.M. until midnight for visitors, with

a member in charge. With the cooperation of

a physician in a nearby veterans' hospital, weekly

visits are being made by Memphis A.A.s to

the hospital."
GV Jly47, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE — Tiptonville."

GV Aug47, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Dyersburg;

Overton Park Group (Memphis)."

GV Oct47, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Cleveland."

GV Mar48, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE — Lebanon"

GV Apr48, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Elizabethton."

GV Jly48, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Columbia."

GV Aug48, in "New Groups" column it mentions, "TENNESSEE—Oak Ridge."


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++++Message 5946. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Georgia and Idaho

From: t . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/18/2009 10:53:00 AM


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See my last post concerning the dates from

these Grapevine articles.


Georgia
GV Jly44, in the short article on "Bill's Trip South" it mentions

Atlanta GA as being one of 8 groups Bill and Lois visited


GV Feb46, in the "New Groups" column it mentions LaGrange, Georgia
GV June46, in the "Clip Sheet" column:

"Salem, N. J., Sunbeam: "A century-old 28-

room Georgian mansion, once owned by a whiskey

distiller known as 'The Lord of Jericho,'

opened May 1 as a home for the care and rehabilitation

of alcoholics. The huge, three story

red brick building, Ivy Manor, is located

on 200 acres of farm and woodland, seven miles

west of Bridgeton at Jericho—and seven miles

from the nearest taproom.

"It was purchased by a group of Philadelphia

and Camden businessmen, headed by J. Robley

Tucker, realtor, Camden, N. J.

"The project has been endorsed by Alcoholics

Anonymous, the celebrated self-help group

which has aided thousands of alcoholics to permanent

rehabilitation, Tucker said. 'We will

call for patients by station wagon within a 100-

mile radius,' Tucker added. 'But we do not

want repeaters. . . . Ivy Manor may properly be

looked upon as a sort of half-way house. After

a patient has physically and mentally recovered,

we will put him in touch with the A.A., if he so

desires. From there on, it is up to him—and

to them.' "
GV June46, in the "News Circuit" column:

"City, criminal and juvenile judges were in

attendance at the third anniversary banquet of

the Jacksonville, Fla.. Group. Other Florida

groups represented were Daytona Beach, Gainesville,

and Tampa. Georgia A.A.s came from

Valdosta. Waycross. Atlanta, and Rome. A.A.s

from Boston. Mass., were also present. With

Jacksonville's several small group weekly meetings,

new members are delighted that there are

now meetings every night in the week."
GV Jly46, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Macon.

GV Oct46, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Augusta and

Columbus.

GV Dec46, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Statesboro, Box

82.

GV Mar47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Cuthbert;



Manchester.

GV June47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Albany,

Thomaston.
GV Jly47, in the "News Circuit" column:

"Neighboring Groups get Together—

Members of the Atlanta, Ga., Group held joint

meetings with three other Georgia Groups in

Griffin, LaGrange and Thomaston recently with

from 20 to 30 of the Atlanta Group making each

trip. In Griffin and Thomaston the meetings were

held in homes of members and in LaGrange at

the First Methodist church, whose pastor, Rev.

Charles S. Forester, attended the Yale Clinic seminar

last summer. The groups in G r i f f i n and

Thomaston were both formed recently and being

only about 30 miles apart, plan to alternate attendance

at each other's meetings. "


GV June47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Americus.
GV Sept47, in the "News Circuit" column:

"Georgians Get Around—Members of the

Atlanta, Ga., Group have been active lately in

aiding in the establishment of new groups. One

member on vacation in Selma, Ala., felt the need

for a group there and helped form one. Another

started a group in the Lawson Veterans'

Administration Hospital with the cooperation of

the psychiatric staff. In answer to a request

from Athens, Ga., another went there and assisted

in getting a group underway. Atlanta

plans to invite several of these nearby groups

to conduct some of its meetings this fall and

winter.
GV Oct47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Athens, Cairo,

LaFayette.

GV Feb48, in the "New Groups" column it mentions GEORGIA—Dublin


GV Aug48, an article about Atlanta's 7th anniv, titled:

"They Celebrated And Talked About Drinking"

from Atlanta, Ga.

It was a man-sized celebration, but everyone

was as sober as the proverbial judge.

They talked about drinking, about some

of the really big bouts they had staged,

but there wasn't the faintest odor of alcohol

about the place, and no one had bulging

pockets.


The occasion was the seventh anniversary

of Atlanta's Chapter of Alcoholics Anonymous,

with some 400 or 500 persons filling

Taft Hall.

The experiences they related—these anonymous

men and women who have conquered

Demon Rum—would make a confession

at a revival meeting seem tame.

Take Steve, for example. Steve, who

hails from Washington, D. C., was the

guest of honor. It was he, with the help

of his wife, who founded the Atlanta group

seven years ago in their basement apartment

in Buckhead.

"I was drunk for more than 20 years,"

he recounted. "My wife had tried every

cure known to mankind on me, and nothing

worked. In fact, one of the cures made me

so drunk I was unconscious for four weeks.

"We were living in Washington at that

time," he continued, "and some man came

in from New York to establish an A.A.

group. My wife prevailed upon me to join.

I did and I sobered up. it was tough going

for a year but after that year I began to

enjoy life, and when I was transferred to

Atlanta I was determined to start an A.A.

group here."

The Rev. Sam, now pastor of a large

North Georgia church, described some of

the difficulties of launching the Atlanta

group, explaining: "It was a little story

in the Atlanta Constitution that led me to

Steve."


Bert, who now operates a home for former

drunkards, said he was in Atlanta's

City Stockade 105 limes for being drunk.

"I guess I am the original man of distinction,"

he concluded. "I changed from

bay rum to canned heat."

Charlie, a successful Atlanta businessman,

traced his reclamation to the time

he asked a friend for a dollar to buy a

drink and was told to go to the A.A. clubrooms,

after which he could return for

the money. He never came back to get the

dollar."
GV Aug48, in the "New Groups" column it mentions "GEORGIA—Douglas;

Pearson.
Idaho


GV Nov45, in the "News Circuit" column: "Boise is the first town in

Idaho to start a group."

GV Dec46, in the "New Groups" column it mentions IDAHO—Caldwell; Moscow.

GV Jan47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions IDAHO: Lewiston, Box 346.

GV Mar47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions IDAHO—Anderson Dam.

GV Aug47, in the "New Groups" column it mentions IDAHO—Idaho Falls.


GV Mar48, in the "News Circuit" column:

"A classified

advertisement appearing in the

paper in Jerome, Idaho, testifies to the

efforts of an A.A. to found a group

there. He's a former member of the

New Orleans, La, Boise and Twin

Falls, Idaho, Groups."


GV Apr48, in the "New Groups" column it mentions IDAHO—St. Anthony.

GV May48, in the "New Groups" column it mentions IDAHO—Rigby.


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++++Message 5947. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Kansas and Kentucky

From: t . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/18/2009 11:49:00 PM


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Kansas
GV Mar45, "News Circuit" column mentions:

"The Kansas City, Kansas, group has bought and moved into a 12-room

clubhouse."
GV Sept45, "News Circuit" column mentions:

"The Kansas press has been having some good natured

fun writing about the Topeka A.A.

group and its new clubhouse. The Sunflower

state has been legally dry since 1880. Today,

the only legal beverages have no more than 3. 2

per cent alcoholic voltage to induce consumption.

Topeka, home of 67, 833 persons, bastion

of state dry laws and lawmakers, has had an

A. A. group since 1943 and, says one journalist,

"Adding to doubts of Topekans who have seen

whiskey bottles tossed on the statehouse grounds

and lying along Kansas Avenue, A. A. has now

moved into the finest clubrooms in the city. " The

newsmen carefully mention the fact that A. A.

isn't at all interested in whiskey from a prohibition

angle, that it is dedicated to the rehabilitation

of alcoholics who honestly want to recover.

Kansas City, Kan., is another of the groups to

buy its own clubhouse. Located at 1925 North

Eleventh Street, the former mansion has had

partitions ripped out downstairs, reducing the

once many-roomed house into a meeting hall,

while upstairs four rooms remain for general

use."
GV Jan46, "News Circuit" column mentions:

"At the first anniversary

shindig of the Wichita, Kans., Group, which

brought members from Kansas City, Topeka,

Oklahoma City and Tulsa, guest speakers were

Father Fred Mann, Catholic priest from Wichita,

and the Rev. Raymond E. Dewey, a Methodist

clergyman from McPherson. "


GV Feb46, "New Groups" column mentions Garden City, Kansas;
GV Feb46, "News Circuit" column mentions:

"Kansas City, Kans., papers carried pictures of that city's

A.A. hilltop clubhouse, a two-story brick structure

with a Norman tower on one corner and

the letters "A.A." in red and white over the

door. When the old house was purchased early

last spring, The plumbing was out of kilter and

the plaster falling off the walls. Today it is

clean and pleasant, painted and well maintained,

with cooking and bathroom facilities on

both floors. "Anything we have done for the

house," said one of the members, "has been

done with money which otherwise would have

been spent on liquor. It looks to us like pretty

good economics."
GV Aug46, "News Circuit" column mentions:

"The group at Hays, Kansas, now numbers

28 active members, which is encouraging

growth for a comparatively short time, especially

in a small community."
GV Oct46, "New Groups" column mentions KANSAS—Spearville.
GV Feb47, has an article called:

Prison and Welfare Magazines Carry Articles on A.A.

" Two articles on Alcoholics Anonymous have

appeared in recent magazines.

"Here's Looking at You!" appeared in The.

New Era, a magazine devoted to developing a

better understanding between the prisoner and

society, while the other, "Some Aspects of A.A."

was written by a member of the Indianapolis

Group and appears in the fall issue of Public

Welfare in Indiana.

The first begins: "The infant has matured.

The Leavenworth (Kansas, Federal Prison)

Group of Alcoholics Anonymous has discarded

its swaddling clothes to become a formidable

factor in the reclamation program of the huge

penitentiary. Eighty former tipplers, men who

have run the gamut of riotous living to suffer

social obscurity and prison sentences have now

dedicated themselves to the Herculean task of

'lifting the face' permanently off the bar room

floor."


This statement by the secretary is followed

by an endorsement by Dr. Manly B. Root,

prison psychiatrist, who says, "It is just as well

that you don't concern yourself with why you

are alcoholics, but recognize your affliction as

a fact and seek to adjust your lives accordingly."

This is followed by half a dozen statements

from members and an explanation by prison

authorities that they have maintained a "hands off"

policy.


The second article explains A.A. and how it

functions, with emphasis on creating better understanding

on the part of laymen."
GV Mar47, "New Groups" column mentions

KANSAS—Coffeyville; Honor Farm Group;

United States Penitentiary at Leavenworth.
GV Apr47, "New Groups" column mentions KANSAS—Great Bend.

GV Oct47, "New Groups" column mentions KANSAS—Mission, Salina.


GV Nov47, "News Circuit" column mentions:

"Scheduled for November 16 and 17, the third

anniversary plans of the Wichita, Kans., Group

were not complete at the time for Grapevine

copy. Open house at the club rooms, 536 North

Broadway, on Saturday afternoon and night with

the dinner and main meeting to come Sunday

afternoon are the principal plans. Good representation

from groups in Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri

and Texas is expected."


GV Jan48, "News Circuit" column mentions:

"Wichita did it again," it is triumphantly

reported from that city in

Kansas with regard to the third anniversary

which drew about 350 persons,

representative members from

eight states. Included in the two

day session were speeches by the

founder of the Des Moines, Ia, Group,

the founder of the Amarillo, Tex.,

Group, a woman member, and Dr. R.

M. Gouldner, prominent non-A.A.

Wichita physician and surgeon who

has assisted the group."


GV Feb48, "New Groups" column mentions KANSAS—Argonia, Lawrence, Parsons

(Lone)


GV Mar48, "New Groups" column mentions KANSAS — Arkansas City,

McPherson, Pratt

GV Apr48, "New Groups" column mentions KANSAS—Abilene, Hutchinson.
GV Aug48, "News Circuit" column mentions:

"The Lawrence, Kansas

Group reports a growing membership.

They now have seven members. "


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Kentucky
GV Dec45, "News Circuit" column mentions the first regional AA

convention in Birmingham AL and Kentucky is one of the states mentioned

that had members in attendance.
GV May46, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Russell.

GV June46, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Ashland.

GV Aug46, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Frankfort.

GV Oct46, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Outwood, Owensboro, and

Shelbyville.

GV Dec46, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Frankfort, Box 316;

Fulton.

GV Mar47, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Fort Knox.



GV Apr47, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Cynthiana; 0wensboro.

GV May47, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Bowling Green.


GV July47, in the "News Circuit" column it mentions:

"Church Cooperates—At its 119th annual convention

the Episcopal diocese of Kentucky adopted

a plan to provide psychiatric treatment for alcoholics

in cooperation with A.A. The new wing

being constructed at Norton Memorial Infirmary,

the diocesan hospital, will be given over to the

program. "


GV Oct47, has a short article, "Would you Believe It?"

" 1 month has 30 days;

8 months — 240 days;

1 day has 24 hours;

240 days have 30 x 240 or 7,200 hours

30 members, therefore, would have

216,000 man-hours.

The "24-hour" plan of A. A Will it work?

Darned if I know; I won't say that it WILL

but I will say, tho, that it HAS . . . with the

Lexington, Kentucky Group.

Although only a little over a year old this

group has a total enrollment of probably 75;

some have died, others, have moved away and

we have lost track of them; some had their

curiosity satisfied; some got their wives to stop

nagging; some have reached that lowest strata

and we never see or hear of them BUT we do

have, we KNOW, 30 staunch and true members

with an average of at least eight months of

sobriety.

These were not "screened"—they were the

high and the low; they were the boys who acknowledged

they were powerless over alcohol;

who came to believe that only a Power greater

than themselves could restore them to sanity;

who turned their will and their lives over to the

care of GOD, as they understood HIM; who

made an effort to follow the teachings of the 12

Steps—AND MEANT IT. They were a lot of

self-confessed, egotistical drunks. Those boys

now have a record of 216,000 man-hours of

sobriety BEHIND THEM.

And yet each of them is only 24 hours AHEAD

of a drunk BUT they are AHEAD of it and not

BEHIND IT. It looks like a photo-finish but I'll

take a ticket that it will show in another eight

months that each of these will show himself in

the "Winner's Circle" and that John Barleycorn

will be given the place, or second, position.

IT HAS WORKED.

WILL it? Darned if I know—BUT . . . H.G.H."


GV Nov47, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Harlan, Maysville (K.O.

Group)


GV Feb48, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Covington, Mayfield

GV June48, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Paducah.

GV Jly48, "New Groups" column mentions KENTUCKY—Somerset.
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++++Message 5948. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Spanish AA materials and History

of the Podium

From: Bob McK. . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/17/2009 5:22:00 PM
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The March 1946 issue of the Cleveland, Ohio

Central Bulletin contains this article:


THE BOOK IS TRANSLATED

Richardo P., of the Mexican Consullate in

Cleveland, and tremendously impressed with the

work of AA. Has translated the entire AA book

in the Spanish language, and it will soon be

printed in Mexico for the benefit of its

people. Ric is to be commended for this fine

demonstration of the 12th step.


Mentions that I have heard of this Cleveland

"first" alluded that "Dick" had his wife do

much (most?) of this translation work. So

there an element of truth in all of the

statements: that it happened (was translated)

in Cleveland, happened (was printed) in Mexico,

was done by an AA, and was done by an Al-Anon

(although this was years before real Al-Anon

started).
I now thoroughly understand why historians

refer to "first" as the f-word.


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From: Mitchell K.

Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009


Most probably, the very first Spanish AA

materials came out of Cleveland, Ohio and

translated by Dick Perez in the early 1940's.

Dick began to translate the Big Book into

Spanish pretty much just after he got sober.

Dick was of Mexican ancestry so I guess the

first Spanish AA material did, in a way, come

out of Mexico.


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On Mon, 8/10/09, juan.aa98

(juan.aa98 at yahoo.com)

wrote:
I am looking for Spanish AA books and material

from the 1940's, 50's, and 60's.
The very first Spanish AA material came out of

Mexico in 1947 translated by an Al-Anon, the

Akron panphlet titled A.A.
But I am also looking for the History of the

Podium, widely used in AA meetings in Spanish

in all of Latin America and Spanish-language

meetings in the US.


Where did that practice come from?
Any information on either of the above will be

appreciated.


Juan R.
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