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| ++++Message 5950. . . . . . . . . . . . Why and how did Tradition 8 develop?
From: priscilla_semmens . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/19/2009 1:41:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Why -- historically -- was this tradition developed? "Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever nonprofessional, but our service centers may employ special workers."
it to say: AA members can go out into a career field because of their personal knowledge on alcoholism (and this is ok), however they should not be doing 12th Step work. We do not get paid for 12th step work.
19, 2009
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/19/2009 3:21:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII We've still got a total blank for Louisiana, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, and South Dakota.
Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Prince Edward Island, and Saskatchewan. Also no information on the strong tradition of Spanish-speaking AA in Mexico, etc. And India? And how about the first country with a strong Buddhist tradition, where Bill W. was so delighted to see their adaptation of the Twelve Steps to Buddhist spirituality? What country was that, and when did that happen? - - - - THE 50 U.S. STATES: ***Alabama: Birmingham group mentioned in ......July 1945 Grapevine ***Alaska: August 1945 Grapevine says first .....group in Alaska was in Skagway ***Arizona: Tucson, Feb. 22, 1943 ***Arkansas: Little Rock April 19, 1940 ......(Bob Pearson's AA history gives late May 1940) ***California: San Francisco November 21, 1939 ***Colorado: Denver, August 19, 1941 ......March 1946 Grapevine said that two Colorado ......Springs groups were five years old (so also ......founded in 1941) ***Connecticut: Greenwich June 16, 1939 ***Delaware: Wilmington mentioned in January ......1945 Grapevine ***Florida: Jacksonville December 1940 ......(reg. with New York June 30, 1941) ***Georgia: July 1944 GV mentions Atlanta; ......August 1948 GV refers to Atlanta's 7th ......anniversary, i.e., started c. 1941 ***Hawaii: Honolulu December 14, 1943 ***Idaho: Nov. 1945 GV says Boise had the ......first Idaho group ***Illinois: Chicago (Evanston) September 21, 1939 ***Indiana: Evansville April 23, 1940 ***Iowa: Des Moines Oct 1943 ***Kansas: Topeka, 1943 ***Kentucky: Bob Pearson's history says that the ......first group was formed in Louisville in June ......1941 by Jim McC. from the Indianapolis group Louisiana ***Maine (disputed): Bangor claims to have ......started a meeting in 1946 (and a group with ......that name reg. with New York January 11, 1947) ......VS. Portland (reg. with NY January 7, 1947) ***Maryland: Baltimore June 16, 1940 Massachusetts ***Michigan: Detroit December 1939 ***Minnesota: Minneapolis April 1941 Mississippi ***Missouri: St. Louis October 30, 1940 Montana Nebraska
Nevada New Hampshire ***New Jersey: South Orange May 14, 1939 New Mexico ***New York: New York City fall of 1935 North Carolina North Dakota ***Ohio: Akron, Dr. Bob's last drink on ......June 17, 1935; founding celebrated in Akron ......as July 4, 1935 (Bill Dotson discharged ......from Akron City Hospital) Oklahoma
Oregon ***Pennsylvania: Philadelphia, 1st organizational ......meeting February 28, 1940 (Jimmy Burwell had ......arrived in Philly on February 13; he formed the ......Philadelphia Mother Group on March 6, 1940 Rhode Island ***South Carolina: Spartanburg September 15, 1944 ......(or Columbia in late November 1944) South Dakota ***Tennessee: Chattanooga probably, c. 1941; ......July 1944 GV mentions groups in Chattanooga ......and Knoxville; February 1945 GV says the ......Chattanooga group was four years old, that is, ......c. 1941 ***Texas: Houston February 1940; 1st meeting ......March 15, 1940 at the Houston YMCA ***Utah: Salt Lake City December 19, 1944 ***Vermont: Montpelier October of 1944 ***Virginia: Richmond 1941 (their first group ......started on June 6, 1940, but was based on the ......"drinking only beer" idea and soon fell apart) ***Washington State: Seattle April 19, 1941 ***West Virginia: Charleston March 1, 1942. ***Wisconsin: Waunakee (along with Madison) ......had 20 members as of October 1, 1940 ......(Milwaukee's group began on May 1, 1941) ***Wyoming: April 1946 Grapevine mentions ......a group in Rock Springs. July 1946 Grapevine ......says "with help from the Denver, Colo., ......Group, an A.A. brunch got started in Cheyenne, ......Wyo."
......to page 31 of their intergroup history) THE 10 CANADIAN PROVINCES: ***Alberta: Edmonton June 18, 1945 British Columbia Manitoba
New Brunswick Newfoundland and Labrador ***Nova Scotia: New Glasgow January 2, 1946 ***Ontario: Toronto January 13, 1943 ......(the first A.A. group in Canada) Prince Edward Island ***Quebec: Montreal January 1945 Saskatchewan WORLD: ***Australia: 1945, 1st outside Northern America !!! ......(1st Big Book received in Australia 1942) ***Ireland: Dublin November 18, 1946, 1st in Europe!!! ***UK (United Kingdom): ......England: London, the March 31, 1947 meeting ......at the Dorchester Hotel was the 1st UK group ......followed by Manchester with nearby Bolton ......in November 1948 ......Scotland: Perth, Edinburgh and Glasgow 1949 ......Wales: Cardiff April 13, 1951 ***Denmark: 1st registered group January 1955 ......("Ring I Ring -- Dansk AA" already existed, ......and had been in contact with the New York GSO, ......but rejected the spiritual aspect of the program)
recovery programs From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/20/2009 1:52:00 PM
(dean at complanners.com) The original list was given in Message 5922 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/5922 Here are some additional links to twelve step programs. (In addition to these, there are quite a few other programs that profess to use the 12 Steps, but, as far as I can tell, they are just getting started or appear to be the work of one or two individuals rather than an actual "fellowship.")
Monterey Peninsula, California From the Online Alano Club at http://www.onlinealano.org/dirs/links_other.php Adreneline Addicts Anonymous Anorexics and Bulimics Anonymous Anti-Nutrient (Junk Food) Addicts Anonymous Artists Recovering Through the Twelve Steps (ARTS) Anonymous Chemically Dependent Anonymous Clutterers Anonymous Co-Anon Family Groups Cocaine Anonymous Co-Dependents Anonymous Compulsive Eaters Anonymous COSA (anyone affected by another person's compulsive sexual behavior) Criminals & Gang Members Anonymous Crystal Meth Anonymous Debtors Anonymous Debt-Anon Family Groups Depressed Anonymous Double Trouble in Recovery (dually diagnosed) Dual Recovery Anonymous Eating Addictions Anonymous Eating Disorders Anonymous Emotions Anonymous Families Anonymous Food Addicts Anonymous Gam-Anon (for families and friends of compulsive gamblers) Gamblers Anonymous Grey Sheeters Anonymous (compulsive overeating) HCV Anonymous HIV Anonymous Incest Survivors Anonymous Love Addicts Anonymous Manic Depressives Anonymous Marijuana Anonymous Messies Anonymous Methadone Anonymous Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD/DID) Anonymous Neurotics Anonymous Nicotine Anonymous Obsessive Compulsive Anonymous Obsessive Eaters Anonymous Online Gamers Anonymous Overeaters Anonymous Overcomers Outreach (Christian recovery support groups using the 12 Steps) Parents Anonymous (child abuse prevention) Pills Anonymous Phobics Anonymous Recoveries Anonymous Recovering Couples Anonymous S-Anon (for those affected by someone else's sexual behavior) Schizophrenics Anonymous Self Mutilators Anonymous Sex Addicts Anonymous Sexaholics Anonymous Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous Sexual Compulsives Anonymous Sexual Recovery Anonymous Sex Workers Anonymous Social Phobics Anonymous Spenders Anonymous Suicide Anonymous Survivors of Incest Anonymous Teen-Anon Workaholics Anonymous http://www.onlinealano.org/dirs/links_aa_alanon.php Agnostic AA Meetings Alcoholics Victorious (Christian) Birds of a Feather (pilots, aviation) Calix Society (Catholic) Christians in Recovery Anesthetists in Recovery International Advisory Council of Homosexual Men and Women in Alcoholics Anonymous International Doctors in Alcoholics Anonymous (health care professionals of doctorate level) International Lawyers in Alcoholics Anonymous International Pharmacists Anonymous Jewish Alcholics, Chemically Dependent Persons and Significant Others Nurses in Recovery Recovering Nurses Secular Organizations for Sobriety (non-12-Step) Veterinarians in Recovery Additional Groups (at the Self-help Clearing House, PeaceHealth.org) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5953. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: List of 12 step and other recovery programs From: John Lee . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/20/2009 2:11:00 PM
(johnlawlee at yahoo.com) In 1989 New York Magazine did a cover story on the 12-Step groups in New York City. There were 28 of them listed in the NYC phonebook. A representative from each group was interviewed. The reporter tried to interview someone from Isolators Anonymous, but the reporter's messages were not returned.
magazine.] John Lee Pittsburgh - - - - From: theammermans (theammermans at yahoo.com) Wikipedia has a list with links to Twelve Step programs patterned after AA, as well as a list of Programs partially patterned after AA:
From: bsa330 . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/20/2009 9:19:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi, All- I'm pretty much a lurker here. I love hearing all this history. I am very grateful for all the knowledge available here.
direction of information regarding High Watch Farm, in Kent CT. I know Bill W. visited and even turned down an offer from Sister Francis to give the Farm to AA.
of this & figure someone out there can tell me where to find it.
weekend to the open speaker meeting (and dinner) and would love to give them some more background on the place. Thanks, everyone, I've learned so much. Dave Tanner IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5955. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: St. Francis, Bill W., and Alcoholics Anonymous From: mdingle76 . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/20/2009 7:52:00 AM
of St. Francis and the 12&12 (or AA for that matter). I can't shed any light on the wording of the prayer or the mistaken author of the prayer (I thought it was St. Francis myself till a few years ago). But I thought I'd mention a little about Bill's love for Francis (as told to me by Tom Powers — 12&12 editor/co-author). Tom said that after Bill had his famous spiritual experience in Towns that Ebby went back to the Oxford Group telling them about what happened to Bill and asked what he should do to help him. They said bring him 2 books. Many people in AA know that this is when the book The Varieties of a Religious Experience hit the scene, but many people don't know that Ebby also brought Bill another book: The Little Flowers of St. Francis.
TWO OF THE VERSIONS OF THE LITTLE FLOWERS OF ST. FRANCIS ONLINE ARE:
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/ugolino/flowers.toc.html =============================================
(getting that book at that time) lead to Bill's love for Francis. The Little Flowers of St. Francis has a number of little stories, and many of them telling of sudden mystical/spiritual experience. It is known that Francis had a Bill W. experience (or really the other way around) and then suffered from depression afterwards.
and after-effects of spiritual experience (for they both had this kind of experience themselves and they both had years of what we would now be mislabel as "mental illness" that followed).
me but Tom Powers quotes Francis in it saying something like, "After my conversion, I've never been well." Bill also studied Francis on the money front — using the modern day Franciscan virtue of "poverty" for the society of Alcoholics Anonymous.
Francis is that Bill used to say that Francis was the patron saint of the society of Alcoholics Anonymous. Francis may be more important to out movement than we know?
19, 2009
From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/20/2009 2:50:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In how many countries does AA now have a presence? Laurie A. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5957. . . . . . . . . . . . Beginnings of AA in Massachusetts, Tradition 7 and Tradition 8 From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/22/2009 3:14:00 PM
regularly in March 1941 at the Jacoby Club headquarters at 115 Newbury Street.
Jacoby Club, in the same way that when New York and Akron AA began, they were regarded as part of the Oxford Group. Also please note that when Boston AA finally split from the Jacoby Club, it was over those issues which would later be formalized as TRADITION SEVEN and TRADITION EIGHT. That is important in terms of understanding the historical development of those two traditions. See Rich Dubiel's book on the Emmanuel Movement and the Jacoby Club, Chapter 7, from which I quote below.
but by March of 1941, Burt C. and Paddy had settled on Wednesday nights at the Jacoby Club's 115 Newbury Street address for the official weekly group meeting. The Boston group's history adds that there were then about four or five alcoholics in the group."
the Jacoby Club becomes a bit cloudy at this point. The Jacoby Club archival material supports two basic facts: A.A. and the Jacoby Club were intertwined for a period and then separated. The Boston A.A. group met at the Jacoby Club facilities and was melded with the Club, according to Ernest Jacoby, 'for quite a while.'"
occurred when the Jacoby Club wrote a letter to Alcoholics Anonymous on May 31, 1941, informing the group that it 'regretfully recommends that the management of each group be entirely separate and distinct from that of the other.' The letter cited two basic differences. First, the Jacoby Club was a charitable institution, 'receiving money from and making appeals to the public.' A.A., being self-supporting, did not (a self-imposed rule which would later become A.A.'s Seventh Tradition). Second, the Jacoby Club employed 'a salaried man who is not an alcoholic' (Hatlestad), whereas A.A. was operated without paid professionals (the rule which was later formalized in A.A.'s Eighth Tradition). It is interesting to note that already as early as 1941, A.A. members were assuming the absolute necessity of certain organizational principles which would later be formalized in the Twelve Traditions in 1945-6." "Although the Jacoby Club letter made it clear that they no longer wanted the A.A. people telling them how to manage their business, nonetheless it was cordial in tone, including an offer to continue allowing A.A. the use of Jacoby Club rooms. The letter ended with a note of thanks to A.A. 'for the opportunity [the Jacoby Club] has been given to contribute its small share to their work.'"
from the Grapevine From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/22/2009 3:02:00 PM
(tcumming at nc.rr.com) Massachusetts (from the Grapevine) GV June45, in the News Circuit column: "a Massachusetts legislative recess-commission recommendation made in May, the state's liquor drinkers would pay $2 a year for a "personal license" and a state hospital would be established with the money to treat alcoholics. A 448-page report declared that crime, mental ill- ness and charity costs from inebriety in the state totaled $60,000,000 annually , compared with liquor revenues of $13,139,266 in 1943. Licenses would be revoked for abuse. The commission also recommended labeling liquor with "directions" for moderation and a warning against over-indulgence. *" GV Oct45, in the News Circuit column: "A New Jersey member recently outlined the A. A. program before the Summit Rotary Club, as did a Massachusetts member in Salem, with A.A.s and Rotarians alike attending from Beverly, Danvers, Ipswich, Lynn, Marblehead, Peabody, Somerville, Waltham and North Adams ." GV May46, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTSâ”Fall River, Holyoke, Hyannis, and South Ashburnham.
"The first joint meeting of the Greater Boston Groups of A.A.â” for the financial benefit of the office of the Boston Central Service Committeeâ” was attended by about 400. All contributions, and they were generous, went to help maintain Boston's Central Office. Visitors came from Hartford and Manchester, Conn.; Montpelier, Vt.; Maine, Massachusetts and other New England groups. One of the guest speakers was the Rev. Father James Timmins of Manchester,Conn. Members from Boston attended meetings of two new groups recently: Lawrence, Mass., and Dover, N.H. . . . A group is getting under way at the Veterans Hospital, Bedford, Mass."
Wellesley Hills.
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Brookfield; Hyde Park; Worcester (No. 2. GV Jan47, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS: Attleboro; Arlington, Men's Group; Newburyport, Box 165. GV Jan47, in the News Circuit column: "Growth in New England. â” In less than three years, A.A. groups in Massachusetts have increased from two to 36, or a gain of 1800 percent, while Connecticut shows a 700 percent gain, according to a member of the Newtonville, Mass., Group. Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Rhode Island, starting from scratch, now have 13 groups. The formation of an efficient Central Service Committee in Boston last spring has been a vital factor as was the attendance of about 600 at the sixth anniversary banquet. New England groups now include the following, which the A.A. Grapevine has been asked to list: Massachusetts: Boston, Brockton, Brookline, Brookline Village, Cambridge, Cape Cod, Hyannis and Falmouth, Dorchester, Edgartown, Fall River, Fitchburg, Greenfield, Haverhill, Holyoke, Hyde Park, Lawrence, Lynn, Malden, Mattapan, New Bedford, Newton, Norwood, Yüklə 11,49 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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