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Pittsfield, Rutland, Salem, Somerville, South

Ashburnham, South End, South Shore-Quincy,

Springfield, Upham's Corner, Watertown,

Wellesley Hill, Woburn, Worcester, and Lexington;

Connecticut: Ansonia, Bridgeport, Bristol,

Danbury-Bethel, Greenwich, Hartford, Kent,

Manchester, Meriden, Middletown, New Britain,

New Haven, Norwalk, Norwich, Saybrook,

Stamford, Stratford, Torrington, Waterbury,

Westport, Winsted; Maine: Bangor and Portland;

New Hampshire: Dover, Manchester,

Portsmouth and Hanover; Rhode Island: Providence;

Vermont: Bennington, Burlington, Montpelier,

St. Johnsbury and Windsor."


GV Mar47, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Hingham;

Malden;


Seamen's Club, Boston.
GV Apr47, in the New Groups column mentions - MASSACHUSETTS” Southbridge.
GV May47, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Boston (South

End


Group); Lowell.
GV June47, in the New Groups column mentions - MASSACHUSETTS” Winchester.
GV Jly47, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Jamaica Plain;

South


Boston; Worcester (Group No. 3).
GV Aug47, in the New Groups column mentions - MASSACHUSETTS” Amesbury;

Nantucket.


GV Oct47, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” East Milton,

Taunton.
GV Oct47, in the News Circuit column:

"An article written by Bill Cunningham, Boston Herald columnist,

dealing with A.A., brought many inquiries

and phone calls to the Boston Central

Office at 30 Huntington Avenue with an average

of 10 new persons a day coming into the office

for the three weeks following publication, for

literature and contact with the nearest group."
GV Nov47, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Medford
GV Dec47, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Palmer (Happy

Valley


Group).
GV Dec47, in the News Circuit column:

"Judge Advises Joining A.A.” Two men

before North Adams, Mass., district court on

drunkenness charges were advised to join A.A.

by Special Justice William A. O'Hearn recently

in an action which is believed by members of

the Pittsfield Group to set a precedent for Massachusetts

and perhaps for the country. Stating

that the commonwealth classifies drunkenness

as a crime and does little or nothing to

bring about rehabilitation, Judge O'Hearn said

he feels it is a disease and "we should begin to

do something about it." The judge continued

one case for a year and placed the other on

year's probation, concluding by saying, "I had

little faith in A.A. when it was first organized

but I have watched the growth of this organization

and know some of its splendid accomplishments.

I feel that today it perhaps offers

the greatest opportunity in overcoming this terrible

curse." The Pittsfield Group, which includes

members from North Adams is following

through on this by planning a big open meeting

at the Hotel Richmond in North Adams soon.

With the splendid cooperation of the local radio

and press it is hoped that this will be successful

and result in the formation of a North Adams

Group."
GV Jan48, in the News Circuit column:

Boston Birthday ”The Boston banquet

celebrating the seventh anniversary

of A.A. there drew a capacity

attendance” 800 at the Hotel Copley

Plaza on Wednesday evening, Nov.

19. This sellout of banquet tickets

was an indication of the strides A.A.

itself has made. In the same hotel,

510 attended last year and 225 in

1945. A.A. co-founder, Bill W., discussed

the 12 Points of Tradition.

He told his audience "we will avoid

any exclusiveness, material wealth,

tempting alliances, controversy, professionalism,

promotion and public

pressure. We are weaker than the

average and we need not take such

risks. You and I, as alcoholics, can

sit down and talk over our problems

with our brothers and sisters”and

that's all. The less we have to do

with organization and prestige, the

better."

Other speakers included A.A.s

from Maine, New Hampshire and

Connecticut. Special guests were the

newly appointed members of Massachusetts

Governor Bradford's Commission

of the Study of Alcoholism

which will serve for four years.

Helen B., the Boston secretary, reported

a membership of 1,450 associated

with the Boston office. Since

March of 1946 when the Boston Central

Service Committee of A.A.

opened, membership of A.A. groups

has mounted from 13 to 59 in Massachusetts,

Maine and New Hampshire.

Massachusetts Notes” The East Milton

Group held a pre-Christmas party

on .Sunday night, Dec. 14. There

were presents, etc., and as a feature,

an "all-A.A. orchestra" provided the

music for dancing . . . Southbridge,

Group has become associated with

Central Service Committee in Boston.

Meetings are held Monday nights at

8:30 and is an outgrowth of Worcester

No. 1 Group . . . Waltham Group

has opened up with meetings on Friday

nights at 8:30 at 712 Main St.

. . . Attleboro Group has shifted its

meeting hour from 8:30 to 8 p.m.

Reciprocity Move â” Salem, Mass.,

Group put on an open meeting that

packed the large hall in Town House

Square on Friday night, Nov. 28,

when the members of Manchester,

Conn., Group conducted the meeting.

Salem A.A.s had previously gone

down to Manchester to put on a

meeting there. The Rev. Fr. James P.

Timmins of Manchester, a non-alcoholic

but long a supporter of the A.A.

group there, was the guest speaker

in Manchester."


GV Feb48, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Westfield
GV Mar48, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” North Adams,

Provincetown, Roxbury


GV Apr48, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Reading.
GV May48, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Brighton,

Allston-Brighton Group; Boston, South Boston Group.


GV Jly48, in the New Groups column mentions- MASSACHUSETTS” Attleboro,

South


Attleboro Group; Everett.
GV Aug48, in the New Groups column mentions-MASSACHUSETTS” Framingham;

Marblehead.


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++++Message 5959. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Millgate Hotel in Manchester

From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/17/2009 3:24:00 PM


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This reference to Millgate in Nottinghamshire muddies the waters. The AA

group


which was started in November 1948 met at the Millgate Hotel, Manchester,

which


in those days was in the county of Lancashire, now Greater Manchester

(Manchester is in the north west of England, Nottingamshire in the east

midlands). There is a photograph of the Millgate Hotel in the AA Great

Britain


archives at the General Service Office in York. It was reproduced in Share

and


Share Alike, the book the GB General Service Board published to mark the

fellowship's 60th anniversary in Britain in 2007. An earlier book produced

to

mark the 50th anniversary, The First Fifty Years, noted: "The first meeting



proper of the Manchester group was held in November 1948 - the venue a

Manchester hotel (long since demolished). Five attended, without a Big Book

or

significant literature. But they shared and talked and talked until they



realised the staff wanted the tea drinking party out to make way for the

'drinking' public. In haste, and with the oncoming festive season, they

decided

to meet again in the New Year, with nothing more than a gentelman's



agreement to

remain sober."


Laurie A.
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From: United Kingdom Joe

(jumpinjoe1 at gmail.com)

Subject: Re: Millgate Hotel in Manchester
Millgate: Newark Nottinghamshire NG24 4TU
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On Sat, Aug 8, 2009,

Martin wrote:

>

> Does anybody know where the Millgate Hotel was



> (or is) in Manchester, England?

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++++Message 5960. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Why and how did Tradition 8

develop?


From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/20/2009 2:57:00 AM
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From Laurie A., Arthur S., Baileygc23, and Jim L.
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From: Laurie A.

(jennylaurie1 at hotmail.com)


See Bill W's account of the origins of

Tradition Eight in "Alcoholics Anonymous Comes

of Age" (Towns hospital and the old clubhouse

on 24th Street, New York). Also his essay

on the tradition in the 12&12.
Laurie A.
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From: "Arthur S"

(ArtSheehan at msn.com)


Right on Priscilla
The long form of Tradition 8 states:
"Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever

non-professional. We define professionalism as

the occupation of counseling alcoholics for

fees or hire. But we may employ alcoholics

where they are going to perform those services

for which we may otherwise have to engage

nonalcoholics. Such special services may be

well recompensed. But our usual A.A. '12th

Step' work is never to be paid for."
Cheers

Arthur
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From: Baileygc23@aol.com (Baileygc23 at aol.com)
To the best of my knowledge it says our

centers can employ people and pay them for

their services. An alcoholic working in any

kind of outside enterprise is not involved

in AA activities. There was an advisory

saying AA does not recognize the term

Alcoholics Anonymous Alcoholism counselor;
"We discovered that under no condition should

an A.A. be paid for taking or carrying this

message to somebody else, person to person,

face to face."


Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age, pg. 115.
A description of AA service workers and their

need to be paid when not volunteering is also

shown on the same page.
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From: Jim L. = Sober186@aol.com

(Sober186 at aol.com)


The reasons for Tradition 8 are pretty well

outlined in the Twelve and Twelve, Bill writes

"Alcoholics Anonymous will never have a

professional class. We gained understanding

of the ancient words, freely ye have received,

freely give. We have discovered that at

the point of professionalism, money and

spirituality cannot co exist." And he

continues ... "We do not decry professionalism

in other fields, but we accept the fact that

it does not work for us ... Every time we

have tried to professionalise the 12 Steps

the result has been exactly the same. Our

singleness of purpose has been defeated.


In the 12 & 12 Bill also cited a number of

other reasons. "Paid 12-Steppers did not work

out." The short version of the eighth step

also makes it clear. "We define professionalism

as the occupation of counseling alcoholics for

fees or hire .... Our usual A.A. '12th Step'

work is never to be paid for."
Jim L.
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Original Message No. 5950 from:
(priscilla_semmens at yahoo.com)
Why -- historically -- was this tradition

developed?


"Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever

nonprofessional, but our service centers

may employ special workers."
If I understand it correctly, I am interpreting

it to say:


AA members can go out into a career field

because of their personal knowledge on alcoholism

(and this is ok), however they should not be

doing 12th Step work. We do not get paid for

12th step work.
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++++Message 5961. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill W. and High Watch Farm

From: David R. Brown . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/20/2009 7:36:00 PM


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From David Brown, Laurie A., and Joseph Nugent
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From: "David R. Brown"

(drbrown at alum.mit.edu)


All,
This is responding to Dave Turner's question

about High Watch.


When my wife, Sally Brown, and I were

researching the biography of Marty Mann, we

interviewed Lyn Harbaugh, who wrote her thesis

"Sister Francis and the Ministry of the High

Watch: From the Principles of New Thought to

the Principles of Alcoholics Anonymous,"

Smith College, 1995.

See our book, A Biography of Mrs. Marty

Mann. The index has references to High Watch.
Enjoy your weekend at High Watch.
David Brown
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From: jenny andrews

(jennylaurie1 at hotmail.com)


High Watch Farm has its own website on which

it claims: "High Watch was founded in 1940 by

Bill W., the co-founder of AA."
Telephone: 860 927 3772.
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From: Joseph Nugent

(jumpinjoe1 at gmail.com)


See the High Watch Farm website at:
http://highwatchrecovery.com/
Joe
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++++Message 5962. . . . . . . . . . . . A big thank-you for the Grapevine

reports on early AA

From: Keith . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/19/2009 5:04:00 PM
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Thank you for posting these reports from the

Grapevine on early AA in various states. It

sure gives a perspective on the early days,

when 8 months was a lot of sobriety and their

confidence was already soaring at the discovery

that they could indeed do this a day at a time!


Keep'em coming as you are able, please.
Keith in Cumming, GA.
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++++Message 5963. . . . . . . . . . . . First Group in Colorado

From: bbthumpthump . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/19/2009 8:54:00 PM


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This is from the Area 10 Archives. "On August

19, 1941, the first recorded meeting of

Alcoholics Anonymous in Denver, and in Colorado,

was held in Sarah McP.'s home at 580 Franklin

Street. There were eleven people present."
That was the first meeting of the first group

formed in Colorado. They would later be called

Group #1.
There is still a Group #1 active. They meet at

York Street, the first clubhouse West of the

Mississippi. 1311 York Street, Denver, Colorado.
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++++Message 5964. . . . . . . . . . . . From the Grapevine: Rhode Island

From: t . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/19/2009 11:41:00 PM


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Rhode Island
GV Jun45, in the News Circuit column:

"Regular A.A. meetings are held by the alcoholic

patients at Howard State Hospital, Howard,

R. I., since members of the Boston Group visited

the hospital several months ago, and received

the encouragement of Drs. Vera and Friz Berhendt.

. . . A new group in Providence, R. I.,

an outgrowth of the Akron, Ohio, group, is receiving

the cooperation not only of the doctors

of Howard State Hospital but of the State Welfare

Department, social workers and clergy

alike."
GV Sept46, in the New Groups column mentions- RHODE ISLAND—Providence.


GV Jan47, in the News Circuit column:

"Growth in New England. — In less than

three years, A.A. groups in Massachusetts have

increased from two to 36, or a gain of 1800

percent, while Connecticut shows a 700 percent

gain, according to a member of the Newtonville,

Mass., Group. Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont

and Rhode Island, starting from scratch, now

have 13 groups. The formation of an efficient

Central Service Committee in Boston last spring

has been a vital factor as was the attendance of

about 600 at the sixth anniversary banquet.

New England groups now include the following,

which the A.A. Grapevine has been asked

to list: Massachusetts: Boston, Brockton, Brookline,

Brookline Village, Cambridge, Cape Cod,

Hyannis and Falmouth, Dorchester, Edgartown,

Fall River, Fitchburg, Greenfield, Haverhill,

Holyoke, Hyde Park, Lawrence, Lynn, Malden,

Mattapan, New Bedford, Newton, Norwood,

Pittsfield, Rutland, Salem, Somerville, South

Ashburnham, South End, South Shore-Quincy,

Springfield, Upham's Corner, Watertown,

Wellesley Hill, Woburn, Worcester, and Lexington;

Connecticut: Ansonia, Bridgeport, Bristol,

Danbury-Bethel, Greenwich, Hartford, Kent,

Manchester, Meriden, Middletown, New Britain,

New Haven, Norwalk, Norwich, Saybrook,

Stamford, Stratford, Torrington, Waterbury,

Westport, Winsted; Maine: Bangor and Portland;

New Hampshire: Dover, Manchester,

Portsmouth and Hanover; Rhode Island: Providence;

Vermont: Bennington, Burlington, Montpelier,

St. Johnsbury and Windsor."


GV May47, in the New Groups column mentions- RHODE ISLAND—Westerly.
GV May47, in the News Circuit column:

"An agreement has been established between

the Round Top Group of Providence, R. I.,

and officials of the Charles V. Chapin Hospital

in Providence designed to supplement the physical

treatment of alcoholics with the group therapy

of A.A. Several beds will be made available

for treatment of individuals recommended by

the local A.A. group which will hold meetings

from time to time at the hospital. These

meetings were requested by the authorities. Previously

only alcoholics committed by local authorities

were accepted. There will be no obligation

on the patients' part to attend meetings. "

...Organized only

a few weeks ago the Newport, R. I., Group has

more than a dozen members and has meetings

every Tuesday night at the Rochambeau House."


GV Jly47, in the News Circuit column:

"R.I.C.E.A. Incorporated —Recently incorporated

as The Rhode Island Committee for

Education on Alcoholism, a group of the state's

citizens, including representatives of the Round

Top Group of Providence has laid the foundation

for a campaign to "increase public understanding

of alcoholism, its nature and its treatment." The

unit will be affiliated with the National Committee

for Education on Alcoholism. An executive committee

has been named and sub-committees are to

be chosen."


GV Aug47, in the News Circuit column:

"Starting Off Well — With about 75 members,

friends and observers in attendance, the newly formed

Westerly, R. I. Group got off to an auspicious

start at a recent open meeting at Caledonia

Hall. Moderator was a member of the Providence

Round Top unit who was accompanied by a good

sized delegation from that group. In the audience

were District Judge Walter S. Flynn, representatives

of the state probation department, and members

of the Norwich, Conn. Group."
GV Jly48, in the New Groups column mentions- RHODE ISLAND—Providence,

Westminister

Group.
GV Jly48, in the News Circuit column:

"Another Anniversary—The Westerly,

R. I. Group celebrated its first anniversary

recently with an open meeting. Civic

minded men and women were the guests

for the evening speaking program."


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++++Message 5965. . . . . . . . . . . . From the Grapevine: South Dakota

From: t . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/19/2009 11:43:00 PM


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South Dakota
GV Sept45, in the News Circuit column:

"From the Sioux City group have gone zealous

members who established groups at Moline, Ill.;

Gary, Ind.; Mitchell, S. D.; Spirit Lake, Iowa;

Rapid City, S. D., and Pender, Neb."
GV May46, in the New Groups column mentions- SOUTH DAKOTA—Fort Meade.

GV Sept46, in the New Groups column mentions- SOUTH DAKOTA—Deadwood.

GV Oct46, in the New Groups column mentions- SOUTH DAKOTA—Deadwood.

GV Nov46, in the New Groups column mentions- SOUTH DAKOTA—Pierre.

GV Dec46, in the New Groups column mentions- SOUTH DAKOTA—Huron.

GV Mar47, in the New Groups column mentions- SOUTH DAKOTA—Camel Club of

Aberdeen; Battle Mountain.

GV Apr47, in the New Groups column mentions- SOUTH DAKOTA—Hot Springs

(Veterans Hospital Group).

GV May47, in the New Groups column mentions- SOUTH DAKOTA—Artisan.

GV June47, in the New Groups column mentions- SOUTH DAKOTA—Rapid City

(Group No. 1).


GV Sept47, in article, "Rochester, Minn Group Marks First Anniversary"

it is noted that in attendance were members from Sioux Falls, South Dakota


GV Oct47, in the New Groups column mentions- SOUTH DAKOTA—Deadwood,

Wagner.


GV Dec47, in the New Groups column mentions- SOUTH DAKOTA—Brookings.
GV Jan48, in the News Circuit column:

"Two members of the Aberdeen,

S. D., Alno Group were instrumental

in forming a group at Britton recently.

Starting November 6 with

the Aberdeen Alno Society coming

up about 20 strong, the group recently

had eight new members. At

the first session the Methodist minister

and state attorney were present.

The address is P.O. Box 82, Britton, S.D.

... Watertown Reports—From "this high,

dry and windy country," the Watertown,

S. D., Group asks, "How about

recognition of our group? We are

16 strong with periods of absolute

sobriety ranging from one to 16

months." The address is P.O. Box

398, Watertown, S. D. . . . In this

area the open meeting of the Bismarck-

Mandan Chapter held recently

received a large amount of newspaper

publicity which has been helpful in

making contacts."


GV Feb48, in the News Circuit column:

"Want Clubroom in '48—Members of

the Aberdeen, S. D., Group have

adopted the slogan "A clubroom in

1948" and three energetic members

have been assigned to combat the

housing shortage in the community

and find suitable quarters. Members

of the group, founded in March, 1946,

were entertained at a special Christmas

party by the Gerhard Kiddie


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