Aa history Lovers 2010 moderators Nancy Olson and Glenn F. Chesnut page
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>> >> This is a question about putting up banners in >> AA meeting rooms, with the 12 Steps, 12 Traditions, >> and 12 Concepts written on them. >> >> I'm from an AA group in Brisbane, Australia. >> >> We had our Group Conscience and put to the vote >> was whether we obtain a Concept Banner for our >> group. >> >> An old timer and very knowledgeable member >> advised that banners can be confusing to newcomers >> (e.g Step 6 and what is written on Step 6 in >> 12x12 two different things Tradition 3 etc.). >> >> He also claimed that Bill W can be quoted as >> saying that he was against the banners. >> >> I have never read or heard this before. I have >> dozens of books and AA info on AA history and >> Bill W, and have been unable to find any info >> on this. >> >> So was wondering if you may have anything on >> the history of the banners and Bill W's thoughts >> on their use (if he ever said anything about >> them) as I am very interested in finding out >> if this was so. >> >> Really appreciate your time >> Thanking you >> Kind Regards Denise >> Member Brisbane Traditions Group >> Australia >> >
++++Message 6310. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill''s spiritual experience -- belladonna induced? From: Edward . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/1/2010 9:15:00 AM
only one in town that does not exclude the intoxicated) and a long-term residential program for drunks and drug addicts, and I still volunteer there.
stay in the shelter have been trying jimson weed for its hallucinogenic properties and often have to be transported by ambulance to the local detox for safekeeping.
assume
that the experiences brought on by hyoscine, scopolamine and hyoscyamine do not
remove the urge to drink. It is indeed said to be a "poor man's trip", nowhere near as pleasant as the illegal psychedelics, and I heard a rhyme about it which goes "Can't see, can't spit, can't pee, can't .." (I think most alkies can probably figure out the last word).
Ted G.
Glenn Chesnut > > I finally found what I was looking for -- some eyewitness accounts by people who had taken belladonna, describing what happened and what it felt like. > > Belladonna has the same psychoactive components as jimsonweed (Datura stramonium) -- atropine, hyoscine (scopolamine), and hyoscyamine. > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6311. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: U.S. postage stamp reading: Alcoholism. You Can Beat It! From: Stephen Gentile . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/4/2010 4:43:00 PM
Mike Barns (mikeb384), and Dudley Dobinson - - - - From: Stephen Gentile (sagentile at hotmail.com) Here is a picture I found on the net. http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5520258/2/istockphoto_5520 258-\
- - - - From: "Mike B" (tuswecaoyate at yahoo.com) Here is a link with a photo of the stamp. Mike http://www.mysticstamp.com/viewProducts.asp?sku=1927 - - - - From: Mike Barns (mikeb384 at verizon.net) http://www.arpinphilately.com/blog/how-are-postage-stamps-designed/en/ - - - - From: DudleyDobinson@aol.com (DudleyDobinson at aol.com) I do not have the photo but do have all the official papers relating to the day
this stamp was issued in DC and have attached scans. The quote from the Egyptian
hieroglyphics may be of interest to this group. I suspect the photo mentioned to be a private one taken at the ceremony. I also have a copy of the invitation. Email me, and I will send you (as an email attachment) scans of the official papers and a copy of the invitation. Dudley - Birr Ireland IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6312. . . . . . . . . . . . Ed The salesman /Tradition three From: mykeblanch . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/4/2010 5:36:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have a few questions that I was hoping that someone could answer. In the chapter on tradition 3 in the 12 & 12 [see pp. 143-145], it mentions Ed the salesman. Doing a search I find that Ed was possibly Jim Burwell. Is that correct? After asking for money and help, did the group really leave him to fend for himself? Last question is which AA member's house did he sneak into by night? [p. 144] Any history on this story would be appreciated. Mike - - - - From G.C. the moderator: I am sure that we have people in the AAHL who will be able to supply a good deal of additional information. But be sure and see Nancy Olson's material at: http://www.a-1associates.com/westbalto/HISTORY_PAGE/Authors.htm#TheViciousCy cle
(2nd edition #238, 3rd edition #238, 4th edition #219).
Alcoholism. You Can Beat It! From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/5/2010 6:35:00 PM
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> >From: Stephen Gentile >(sagentile at hotmail.com) > >Here is a picture I found on the net. > >http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5520258/2/istockphoto_552 0258\
> >- - - - Several years ago this stamp and an associated first day cover, at least I think that is what they are called, envelope with a photo of Bill W and his handwritten version of the original six steps was available on eBay and I purchased it for a very modest fee.. I suspect other examples are out there, I've seen them. A stamp collector would likely know more about this issue. Tommy H in Baton Rouge IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6314. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Banners with the steps, traditions, and concepts From: t . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/5/2010 11:12:00 PM
are asking about, but most groups I have gone to or visited in the US since the late 70's have had the steps and traditions prominently displayed ... either on the old window shades or the newer 2 foot x 3 foot folding placards that were purchased thru the local intergroup or GSO in NY.
them up, or that the intergroups and GSO would be selling such things if Bill W had come out against them. >> >> --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, >> "denise200305" Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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