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(Philosophy of As If), published in 1911, but written more than thirty years earlier.[3] Vaihinger was born in Nehren, Wuerttemberg, Germany, near Tuebingen, and raised
in what he himself described as a "very religious milieu". He was educated at Tuebingen, Leipzig, and Berlin, became a tutor and later a philosophy professor at Strasbourg before moving to the university at Halle in 1884. From 1892, he was a full professor. In Philosophie des Als Ob, he argued that human beings can never really know the
underlying reality of the world, and that as a result we construct systems of thought and then assume that these match reality: we behave "as if" the world matches our models. In particular, he used examples from the physical sciences, such as protons, electrons, and electromagnetic waves. None of these phenomena have been observed directly, but science pretends that they exist, and uses observations made on these assumptions to create new and better constructs. Vaihinger admitted that he had several precursors, especially Jeremy Bentham's Theory of Fictions. In the preface to the English edition of his work, Vaihinger expressed his Principle of Fictionalism. This is that "an idea whose theoretical untruth or incorrectness, and therewith its falsity, is admitted is not for that reason practically valueless and useless; for such an idea, in spite of its theoretical nullity, may have great practical importance." This philosophy, though, is wider than just science. One can never be sure that
the world will still exist tomorrow, but we usually assume that it does. Alfred
Adler, the founder of Individual Psychology, was profoundly influenced by Vaihinger's theory of useful fictions, incorporating the idea of psychological fictions into his personality construct of a fictional final goal.>> __________________________________
Neo-Freudian psychiatry that appeared in Adler was a major influence on the way in which early AA's looked at the psychological aspects of the 12-step program. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6477. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Singleness of purpose From: luv2shop . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/21/2010 4:39:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Also on page 232 of "Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age" the second full paragraph contains the following by Bill Wilson: "....Our society, therefore, will prudently cleave to its single purpose: the carrying of the message to the alcoholic who still suffers...." I haven't seen where "singleness" is used anywhere there, just "single purpose." IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6478. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: AA and Buddhism From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/20/2010 5:57:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Dr. Earle M's story is important here: See Message #773 "Dr. Earle M -- Grapevine excerpt" http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/773 and Message #3577 "Big Book Story Author Interview: Dr. Earle M." http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/3577 Also Message #5563 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/5563 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6479. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Burning desire From: Joseph Trevaskis . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/21/2010 5:42:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Dolores,  How is Munich?  The phrase "burning desire" is a psychological term used to express a urgent need to be addresses. I'm not sure who first coined it, I believe outside of AA and from US. Iknow what you mean about being used incorrectly by many. That is how people behave though.  Love & regards to all.  Joe (Scotland) --- On Thu, 4/15/10, Dolores From: Dolores Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Burning desire To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 3:42 PM  Greetings, Thank you all for the the information that I have received thru History Lovers. I have a question, where does the phrase "burning desire" come from? Who used it first? At the beginning of meetings, one often hears the phrase used, "does anyone have a burning desire?" What does this really mean? as I often find it misused by some members to complain about other members.
From: Mary Latowski . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/22/2010 8:41:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Sorry Glenn, I meant "go through the motion earn the emotion, go through the action, earn the reaction" On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Mary Latowski > Not sure of the origin of the following but my 1st sponsor used to quote it > often: > > "Go the the motion and earn the emotion, go the action and earn the > reaction" > > Thoughts? > Mary Pat Latowski > South Bend > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:28 AM, jax760 > >> >> >> I recently came across this which tweaked my curiosity. >> >> "The rule for us is perfectly simple. Do not waste time bothering whether >> you "love" thy neighbor; act as if you did. As soon as we do this we find >> one of the great secrets. When you are behaving as if you loved someone, you >> will presently come to love him." >> >> "Some Christian writers use the word charity to describe not only >> Christian love between human beings, but also God's love for man and man's
>> love for God. About the second of these two, people are often worried. They
>> are told they ought to love God. They can not find any such feeling in >> themselves. The answer is the same as before. Act as if you did. Do not sit >> trying to manufacture feelings. Ask yourself, "If I were sure that I loved >> God, what would I do?' When you have found the answer go and do it. >> >> pp.131-132 Mere Christianity C.S. Lewis >> >> Recognizing the AA fellowship suggestions of "Act as If" and "Fake it till >> you make it" I decided to follow the trail and the joy in finding the >> following from William James >> >> "If you want a quality, act as if you already had it." >> >> Although I find this quote all over the internet I could not source it to >> a particular work of James. >> >> I found this by Norman Vincent Peale >> >> Enthusiasm Makes the Difference p.20 >> >> Many years ago the noted psychologist, William James, announced his famous >> "As If" principle. He said "If you want a quality act as if already had it." >> Try the "as if" technique. It is packed with power and it works. >> >> I also came across this Wiki Post >> >> Sam Shoemaker gets the credit for originating the "Act As If" and "Fake It >> Until You Make It" practice that is popular in Alcoholics Anonymous and >> Narcotics Anonymous circles. Note that Shoemaker invented that clever >> persuasion technique to help in the religious conversion of doubtful >> newcomers, not to help anyone to quit drinking or drugging: >> >> "Act As If" >> >> In 1954, the Reverend Samuel M. Shoemaker wrote a story about an >> unfortunate who came to him admitting that he didn't believe in God and >> certainly didn't know how to pray. Shoemaker asked him to "try an >> experiment," as he had nothing to lose. He asked him to get down on his >> knees and say anything at all that came to his mind, addressing his thoughts >> to "The Unknown." He then asked if the man could read just one chapter from >> the Bible, from the book of John. Solely out of respect for Shoemaker, the >> man obliged, but fighting every step of the way. This went on for some time, >> until one day the man actually began praying to God and reading the Bible >> and other works on his own. The man eventually became a spiritual leader >> within his church. Shoemaker believed that this was possible because the man >> "acted as if he had faith" until faith came by accident, or "until there was >> an opening for God to come through." >> >> The slogan "act as if" has been used in AA circles ever since. >> >> A Ghost In The Closet: Is There An Alcoholic Hiding?, Dale Mitchell, Page >> 194. >>
>> "technique" to Sam Shoemaker who could have gotten it from either William >> James or C.S. Lewis. But Sam surely may have introduced this to the >> fellowship. >> >> I also found this by Sam Shoemaker in the October 1955 Grapevine "The >> Spiritual Angle" >> >> "When one has done the best he can with intellectual reasoning, there yet >> comes a time for decision and action. It may be a relatively simple >> decision: really to enter wholly into the experiment. The approach is more >> like science than like philosophy. We do not so much try to reason it out in >> abstract logic; we choose a hypothesis, act as if it were true, and see >> whether it is. If it's not, we can discard it. If it is, we are free to call
>> the experiment a success." >> >> Several other things in the CS Lewis book caught my eye as I found many >> similarites with the philosophy of the 12&12. It would appear that Lewis's
>> writings were an influence on both Sam Shoemaker and Father John Ford who >> helped Bill with the 12&12. But one example is given below. >> >> 12&12 p.109 >> >> From great numbers of such experiences, we could predict that the doubter >> who still claimed that he hadn't got the "spiritual angle," and who still >> considered his well-loved A.A. group the higher power, would presently love >> God and call Him by name. >> >> CF - Lewis ..."presently come to love him." >> >> If anyone else has any insight on Act as If or Father John Ford's work on >> the 12&12 I'd be quite interested. >> >> God Bless >> >> John B >> >>
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IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6481. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Singleness of purpose From: Kimball ROWE . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/23/2010 1:14:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have never seen SINGLENESS in print, so I suspect it is just an adjective made
up to describe the purpose of the AA fellowship. The single purpose is not exactly the same as the sole purpose or the primary purpose. Sole/Primary/Single Purpose Sole Purpose of AA: "Sobriety - freedom from alcohol - through the teaching and practice of the Twelve Steps, is the sole purpose of an A.A. group. Groups have repeatedly tried other activities and they have always failed. If we don't t stick to these
principles, we shall almost surely collapse. And if we collapse, we cannot help
anyone." (a statement by Bill W. which was reaffirmed as a guiding principle of A.A. by the members of the A.A. General Service Conferences of 1969, 1970 and 1972.)
"Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety." (from the AA Preamble) Primary Purpose (Group): "Each group has but one primary purpose to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers." (Tradition 5)
carrying of the message to the alcoholic who still suffers." ( A.A. Comes of Age, page 232)
"carrying of the message," then the sole purpose and the single purpose are the same. In reference to the individuals primary purpose, I used to have an old Akron pamphlet that talked about the individuals "secondary" purpose, "to be restored back into the society from which we came," but alas, I can no longer find the pamphlet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Chesnut To: AAHistoryLovers group Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Singleness of purpose
(dolli at dr-rinecker.de) I have a question, where does the phrase "Singleness of Purpose" come from? Who used it first?
chapter on Tradition Five, "Each group has but one primary purpose - to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers." 1st line of 5th paragraph refers to: "this singleness of purpose" And then the 1st line of the next paragraph refers to: "the wisdom of A.A.'s single purpose." And then several paragraphs further along it says: "Thank heaven I came up with the right answer for that one. It was based foursquare on the single purpose of A.A."
Twelfth Step, the result has been exactly the same: Our single purpose has been defeated." Glenn Chesnut (South Bend, Indiana, U.S.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6482. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Re: Act as If From: Jenny or Laurie Andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/22/2010 3:07:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Apropos: "If you have a resentment you want to be free of, if you will pray for
the person or the thing you resent, you will be free. If you will ask in prayer
for everything you want for yourself to be given them, you will be free ... Even
when you don't really want it for them, and your prayers are only words and you
don't mean it, go ahead and do it anyway. Do it every day for two weeks and you
will find you have come to mean it..." (Freedom from Bondage, Big Book). Also, "If you don't like people, put up with them as well as you can. Don't try
to love; you can't, you'll only strain yourelf." (E.M. Forster) To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com From: glennccc@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:52:50 -0700 Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Act as If Hans Vaihinger, the "Philosophy of As If," was the important figure here. John, All of these references that you have given go back, either directly or at second hand, to a German philosopher who was very famous and extremely well known in the very late nineteenth and early twentieth century. During that period, all sorts of people read him and were influenced by his ideas, although he has become little more than a footnote or a sentence or two in modern works on philosophy and the history of philosophy. __________________________________ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Vaihinger < Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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