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against "organized religion." If nothing else it's unseemly considering that the vast majority of our meetings take place in buildings that we have free access to for extraordinarily nominal "rents," all due to the charitable spiritual impulse of those religious people that many in AA seem to feel so superior towards. Glib talk of being "spiritual" not "religious" is easy to indulge in, but I haven't noticed it translating into buildings being constructed and maintained so that the spiritual impulse can be housed, and groups of drunks can have a room to meet in.
From: longjohnunderwear . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/2/2010 11:57:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Sobriety Under the Sun is an English-speaking AA convention held each winter in Puerto Vallarta in Mexico .. coming up at the end of January.
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From: Geoff . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/4/2010 9:59:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Apologies if this has been covered, but I can't find it anywhere. Do we know anything about the life of Jack Alexander before his involvement with AA? Does anyone have any resources or anything that might help me find some background information on his bio etc?
Geoff
++++Message 6210. . . . . . . . . . . . List of all Hazelden books on alcoholism From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/5/2010 1:06:00 AM
or written about every book Hazelden has ever published (including those out of print)?
on alcoholism and recovery. LD Pierce 06 15 1995 Hope all had merry christmas and happy new year! Another Sober one for me!! www.aabibliography.com
a complete list of all the books which Hazelden published on the history of A.A., back when they were still publishing books on A.A. history. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6211. . . . . . . . . . . . life of jack alexander From: Charlie C . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/7/2010 11:47:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Re Jack Alexander, I see his obit in the NY Times for 9/20/75. It is a brief piece, mentioning that he was from St. Louis, had worked for the St. Louis Star and Post-Dispatch before joining the Daily News in NYC in 1930. He then moved to the New Yorker, and then the Saturday Evening Post, from which he retired as a senior editor in 1964. He died 9/19/75 in St. Louis, and was survived by his widow. Charlie C. IM = route20guy IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6212. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Information on Jack Alexander''s life
From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/6/2010 12:24:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Jack Alexander retired to Florida and died there. There are two different dates given for his death date: September 19 1975 and September 17 1975.
able to find more from his obit. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6213. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: life of Jack Alexander From: Ernest Kurtz . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/7/2010 9:56:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII According to one common story, Alexander had just finished a piece "exposing" the mob -- in Philadelphia? Anyway, according to this story, when he first heard of AA he thought that it, too, had to be some kind of "racket," so he set out to expose it. I'll appreciate verification of this story if anyone can come up with it, or its disproof. ernie kurtz IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6214. . . . . . . . . . . . Requirement for time sober for people running meetings? From: schaberg43 . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/11/2010 11:00:00 AM
have at least ninety days (or even six months) of sobriety before you can "run" a meeting. In addition, several Step groups require a year (or even two) before someone is given "the chair." I have been asked if there is any foundation for this "rule" in AA's early history. I don't know of any concrete basis for this in the 1930s, but perhaps someone on this list would have some knowledge of such an early 'tradition' or rule. I also suspect that such a 'rule' might well have been propagated in the 'AA Guideline' binders (or whatever they were called) that I know were sent out by GSO during the 1940s. Can anyone help me with some more detailed background for this "rule"? Best, Old Bill IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6215. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: minority opinion question From: Stockholm Fellowship . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/7/2010 8:10:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Jay G. in Stockholm, Bob McK., and Dave "inkman83" - - - - From: Jay G. (Stockholm) (stockholmfellowship at gmail.com) In regard to the Minority opinion question, yes there are times where the majority is swayed by a minority opinion. I remember one time at the District level in Los Angeles there was an idea I had
for a PI event. Initially everyone really liked the idea and the first vote was
nearly unanimous in favor. During the minority opinion a concern was raised about cost and some who voted for the idea indicated they wanted to re-vote. In the re-vote the idea failed overwhelmingly, with encouragement to come back with more details about the cost at a future meeting. And at the Regional level in Europe there have been times when the 2/3's threshold for passing something was met, but after the minority opinion a re-vote was requested and the motion fell just a few votes under the threshold. So sometimes the minority opinion brings up something that causes a lot of people to rethink their vote, other times just a few people. But it does sway. In fact, in my experience, I have only seen the minority opinion to have much of an effect at the District, Region or Area levels. In my experience, in the group's conscience at the homegroup level, there tends to be such a uniformity that the minority opinion rarely causes a budge.
do it every time, some don't if the motion didn't pass in the first place. In fellowship, Jay G.
Stockholm, Sweden - - - - From: "Bob McK." (bobnotgod2 at att.net) The Conference Archives Committee, a secondary committee, came into being in 1998 through just such a process. It was just shy of the required 2/3 vote for approval. Impassioned pleas by the non-prevailing side led to a reconsideration. Most notable in the restored debate was the statement by David E. from Hawaii who said, "I've been swaying back and forth like a palm tree on this issue, but I think we ought to give it a chance." The vote was indeed swayed to over a 2/3 majority and the committee was born.
opinion. If nothing else, it offers the losing side an opportunity to vent their "sour grapes." At one time in the 1998 (or possible '97) Conference the chair allowed minority opinion after an already-reconsidered vote, knowing full well that a second motion to reconsider is not allowed.
of a motion calling the question or because some did not express important issues feeling that their side was certain to prevail without their help.
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three separate times the minority opinion swayed the majority and the vote was
overturned. After minority opinion is heard the Chair (I believe) asked if there is someone who voted in the majority who would like to ask for a re-vote, if that motion is seconded then a vote is taken to determiine if a re-vote will take place, if that passes then the secretary re-reads the motion and a new vote is taken (if I recall correctly there is no discussion on a re-vote). I believe this information can be found by e-mailing the Secretary or the Archivist from aanorthflorida.org Hope this helps Dave - - - - The two original messages were from: "cwojohnwalter" (cwojohnwalter at yahoo.com) Date: Wed Jan 6, 2010 Is there a recorded precedence in which the minority opinion was heard and then swayed the majority opinion enough to change or table the vote?
group level often but I am looking for some documentation of it happening at the Regional or Higher Level.
opinion and Concept V and would like to geek it out as much as possible.
any minority opinion?" After an issue is debated and all sides of have been heard and after the vote is taken and there is a simple or 2/3 majority (whichever is required) than is it necessary to ask the floor for the minority to state its opinion if it so wishes? Love and Service - John IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6216. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: life of Jack Alexander From: Baileygc23@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/11/2010 1:59:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Boss Hague: King Hanky-Panky of Jersey By Jack Alexander Originally appeared in The Saturday Evening Post on October 26, 1940 Edited by GET NJ, COPYRIGHT 2002
the most eminent mugg in the United States. Hague was a mugg when he was expelled from the sixth grade at thirteen as a truant and dullard, and be was
a mugg when he started learning politics the bare-knuckles way in the tough Horseshoe district of Jersey City in the 1890's. He was still a mugg when he was elected mayor of that dreary human hive in 1917, in which capacity he has held the center of the stage ever since with the grim determination of a bad violinist. Hague will probably he known to history as a strong character who, despite all temptations to belong to other classifications, loyally remained a mugg to the end. This is a remarkable achievement when you
analyze it, for Hanky-Panky, as his admirers sometimes call him, has walked with the great and good, and their only noticeable effect on him has been to give him a taste for expensive haberdashery. At heart and in practice, he is a strong-arm man today, tricked out by a clever tailor to look like a statesman. As a wood carver fashions puppets, Hague has created governors, United States senators, and judges of high and low degree. He has been backslapped cordially by the President and by men who wanted to be President. He has bossed the state of New Jersey almost as long as he has ruled Jersey City. He has mingled intimately with leaders of medicine and the clergy and, in a famous civil-liberties case, was firmly kneaded and processed by the august Supreme Court of the United States. He is listed in Who's Who in America and, as vice-chairman of the Democratic National Committee, he is a leader in the Party of Humanity. From time to time, in his twenty-three years as mayor, he has enjoyed the investigative attentions of committees sent by the United States Senate and the New Jersey legislature and of agents of the Justice and Treasury departments. He has been a frequent guest at the baronial Duke Farms in Somerville, New Jersey, and he has dandled a teacup in the parlor of Mrs E. T. Stotesbury, the widow of a famous Morgan partner. Yet, in spite of all these softening influences, he persists in saying, "I have went," and in using singular subjects with plural verbs, and vice versa. In conversation he bellows oracularly and jabs a long finger into his listener's clavicle to emphasize his points, most of which boil down to his favorite argumentative phrase,
"You know I'm right about that!" His language, when he is aroused, is that of the gin mill. He rules his city by the nightstick and the state by crass political barter. He is loud and vulgar and given to public displays of phony piety during which his enemies are dismissed as "Red," or worse. At sixty-four, he is still erect and muscular, and he is not above physically assaulting a quailing civil employee whom he has called on the carpet. None dares to hit back, for fear of being harassed by Hague's police or being held up to public disgrace in some devious way. A legislative committee once determined that during a seven-year period when Hague's salary, admittedly his only source of income, totaled $56,000, he purchased real estate and other property for a total outlay of nearly $400,000. This was done through dummies, and payment was made in cash. Hague has always shied from bank accounts. Although his salary as mayor is only $8000, has never exceeded $8500 and has been as low as $6520, Hague lives like
a millionaire. He keeps a fourteen-room duplex apartment in Jersey City and a suite in a plushy Manhattan hotel. He owns a palatial summer home in Deal, New Jersey, for which he paid $125,120 - in cash - and he gambles regularly on the horse races. Before the present war began he went to Europe every year, traveling in the royal suites of the best liners. Now he spends more time in Florida and at Saratoga Springs, where he flashes a bank roll, held together by a wide rubber hand, which always contains a few $1000 notes, a denomination of which Hague is childishly fond. Hague's public squanderings have brought Jersey City's municipal finances to a dangerous pass.
Wholly dominated by Hague, Jersey City is the worst mess of unpunished civic corruption in the forty-eight states. - - - - From G.C. the moderator: here is a chronological list of Jack Alexander's articles from http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/d19.htm#A956 ALEXANDER, JACK (stories) The Third Party Gets a Rich Uncle (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Sep 3 1938 Missouri Dark Mule (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Oct 8 1938; (about Sen. Bennett Clark). The Last Shall Be First (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Jan 14 1939; (about Joseph Pulitzer). He Rose from the Rich (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Mar 11, Mar 18 1939; (about
William Bullitt). Young Man of Manhattan (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Apr 15 1939 Reformer in the Promised Land (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Jul 22 1939; (about
Harold Ickes). Boss on the Spot (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Aug 26 1939; (about Enoch Johnson). All Father’s Chillun Got Heavens (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Nov 18 1939; (about Father Divine). Iron Floats to Market (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Dec 23 1939 Border Without Bayonets (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Jan 6 1940 Golden Boy; The Story of Jimmy Cromwell (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Mar 23 1940 King Hanky-Panky of Jersey (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Oct 26 1940 “Just Call Mr. C.R.” (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Feb 1 1941 Alcoholics Anonymous (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Mar 1 1941 Nervous Ice (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Apr 19 1941 Buyer No. 1 (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Jun 14 1941 The Duke of Chicago (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Jul 19 1941 The World’s Greatest Newspaper (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Jul 26 1941 Cellini to Hearst to Klotz (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Nov 1 1941 Everybody’s Business (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Sep 26 1942; A great library
can house romance as well as books. Ungovernable Governor (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Jan 23 1943 Cover Man (Norman Rockwell) (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Feb 13 1943 The Next Offensive in Lisbon (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Mar 6 1943 Panhandle Puck (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Jan 1 1944 They Sparked the Carrier Revolution (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Sep 16 1944 Mugwump Senator (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Feb 2 1946 Rip-Roaring Baillie (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Jun 1, Jun 8 1946 The Cities of America - Raleigh (30 of a series) (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Apr 12 1947 The Senate’s Remarkable Upstart (Joe McCarthy) (ar) The Saturday Evening Post
Aug 9 1947 The Dagwood and Blondie Man (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Apr 10 1948; about Chic Young. What Does Walter Reuther Want? (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Aug 21 1948 Stormy New Boss of the Pentagon (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Jul 30 1949 The Drunkard’s Best Friend (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Apr 1 1950; Alcoholics Anonymous. The Ordeal of Judge Medina (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Aug 12 1950 What a President They Picked (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Feb 24 1951 They “Doctor” One Another (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Dec 6 1952 The Amazing Story of Walt Disney (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Oct 31, Nov 7 1953 The Restaurants That Nickels Built (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Dec 11, Dec 18
1954 Death Is My Cellmate (Aaron Turner) (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Mar 2 1957 The Bank That Has No Secrets (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Nov 30 1957 Mr. Unpredictable (Foster Furcolo) (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Aug 9 1958 The Cop with the Criminal Brother (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Nov 7 1959 What Happened to Judge Crater? (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Sep 10 1960 Dreamers on the Payroll (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Nov 19 1960 Sunny But Somber Island (Corsica) (ar) The Saturday Evening Post Jul 28 1962
(kurtzern at umich.edu) http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/6213
just finished a piece "exposing" the mob -- in Philadelphia? Anyway, according to this story, when he first heard of AA he thought that it, too, had to be some kind of "racket," so he set out to expose it. I'll appreciate verification of this story if anyone can come up with it, or its disproof. ernie kurtz IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6217. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: life of Jack Alexander From: Ernest Kurtz . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/11/2010 8:58:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Bailey, Glenn -- you guys are really marvelous. Thank you very much. Now I wonder whether the whole story of AA and Jack Alexander has been collected and published anywhere? I recall some Akron mentions of Alexander in the early correspondence. Take it away, you young sprites! Thanks again. ernie kurtz On Jan 11, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Baileygc23@aol.com wrote: > Boss Hague: King Hanky-Panky of Jersey > By Jack Alexander > Originally appeared in The Saturday Evening Post > on October 26, 1940 > Edited by GET NJ, COPYRIGHT 2002 > > http://www.cityofjerseycity.org/hague/kinghankypanky/index.shtml > >
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6218. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: life of Jack Alexander From: Charles Knapp . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/12/2010 4:09:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From brucec55 and Charles Knapp - - - - From: Bruce brucec55 at sbcglobal.net) The Feb./March 2008 issue of Box 459 has a two page article on A.A. and Jack Alexander. I do not know who wrote it but the staff at GSO may know.
COPY OF THE ARTICLE ON JACK ALEXANDER: "Jack Alexander Gave A.A. Its First Big Boost" Box 4-5-9, February/March 2008 As the 1941 year began, Alcoholics Anonymous had about 2,000 members, many in large cities but also some in small towns and other isolated places. A 1939 national magazine article had attracted several hundred new members, and newspaper articles in Cleveland and a few other places had brought positive results. But for most of North America, A.A. was still unknown and alcoholics were dying without knowing that a new way of recovery had been discovered and was working.
In less than a year, A.A. would suddenly triple its membership Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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